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Purcell principle

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Sep 20, 2026

BaileyHOST
26:10
First, the court's decision will cause havoc.
BaileyHOST
26:13
The so-called Purcell Principle generally holds that because late-breaking changes to election procedures can cause chaos, federal courts should hesitate before exercising their equitable discretion to alter state election laws close to an election.
BaileyHOST
26:27
Today's decision tramples on that principle of restraint.
BaileyHOST
26:31
As the district court explained, the path of least change in Alabama is keeping the district court's remedial plan in place.

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BaileyHOST
38:27
All the predictions of chaos and calamity and whatever just strikes me as the standard sort of sky is falling things that you hear from dissents all the time.
BaileyHOST
38:40
The sky never falls.
BaileyHOST
38:41
Things just kind of go about as normal for the most part like i'm sure alabama is going to figure out its elections things and everything's going to be fine uh and i didn't think the arguments from the purcell principle were very compelling either because as i understand it the principle more concerns uh courts compelling states to make changes in their election laws uh not so much courts allowing states to make changes in their election laws you know close to an election um so if any court violated the purcell principle it seems to be the district court because it was the district court that was uh compelling the state to you know adopt a particular election law and the court the supreme court is just saying Yeah, state, you can do whatever like you're not going to be bound by the district court's injunction.
BaileyHOST
39:38
So if the state wants to adopt a new congressional map really close to the election and go through all the hardship and difficulty of doing so, it's free to do that.
Karen Friedman AgnifiloHOST
53:03
And so to try and c- and c- create this new rule at the 11th and a half hour that now has to go into effect, in addition to it being illegal because this is something that, as you said, the Constitution specifically says that the time, place, and manner of elections are supposed to be done by the states, sometimes Congress can change it, but nowhere does the executive branch have a role, and the post office is part of the executive branch, but that it just can't be done, and this can't be done by the midterm elections.
Karen Friedman AgnifiloHOST
53:36
So th- there's something called the Purcell Principle or the Purcell Doctrine, which, which essentially is this kind of this, this standard, um, that, that the Supreme Court is chipping away at, but it's basically said, "Look, you can't do things that are gonna create chaos or confusion, uh, too close to an election," and they make that window around 60 days.
Karen Friedman AgnifiloHOST
53:58
And this is...
Karen Friedman AgnifiloHOST
53:59
This...
Dan EppsHOST
39:06
Yeah.
Will BaudeHOST
39:08
You know, it's funny, the, the Purcell principle, which we've talked about before, and which is also going to lurk in the background of any, uh, litigation against the post office rule, started-
Dan EppsHOST
39:17
Although this is-- For-- How to apply it here is weird, right?
Will BaudeHOST
39:20
Uh, it is.
Dan EppsHOST
40:20
Yeah
Will BaudeHOST
40:20
...
Will BaudeHOST
40:20
the president were to announce that he was deploying all of the armed forces to confine to their homes all Democrats and not let them vote, and then there was an injunction, and he said, "This is totally unlawful, I agree, but the Purcell principle means you can't stop me," I take it nobody would buy that.
Dan EppsHOST
40:34
Yeah.
Steve TurleyHOST
11:03
Now, they have full constitutional precedence to do this.
Steve TurleyHOST
11:07
It's known as the Purcell principle from Purcell versus Gonzalez back in two thousand and six, and it holds that courts cannot change election rules too close to an election because it risks confusing voters, disenfranchising both voters and candidates, of course, who've been campaigning and spending money for months prior, and disrupting the very administration of the election.
Steve TurleyHOST
11:29
Missouri already ran its August primary under the seven-to-one GOP map, so switching back to the old two thousand and twenty-two map for November would create exactly that kind of last-minute judicial disruption that Purcell ruled against.
Steve TurleyHOST
11:45
Voters chose nominees under one map, and changing it now would only end up disenfranchising and confusing them.
Andy LipkaHOST
66:02
And that sounds very much like Moore versus Harper, um, and a, a case that is dear to the hearts of the three of us as well as to probably listeners of our podcast, or else they're sick of it, because one could have said the same thing that I just said about Moore versus Harper.
Andy LipkaHOST
66:21
Now, there's a couple of other cases that come to mind that we've mentioned in connection with discussion of Moore versus Harper: Purcell, the Purcell principle, and also the case of Hildebrand.
Andy LipkaHOST
66:34
So these are cases that we've mentioned in the past, so maybe you can, you and Akhil can weigh in on how these all, these three cases and other...
Andy LipkaHOST
66:43
I'm not sure if Purcell is a case or if it's a principle, or if Pra-
Vikram AmarGUEST
66:46
It's both.
Andy LipkaHOST
66:46
Yeah.

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Vikram AmarGUEST
77:47
You could say 41 senators blocking the will of 59 is anti-majoritarian, but the response to that is no, because 51 senators could get rid of the filibuster if they wanted to, and in the meantime, the filibuster is an agreed-upon device by Senate tradition, whether you wanna get rid of it or not.
Vikram AmarGUEST
78:07
For now, it's an agreed-upon device that slows things down and facilitates more deliberation and consideration.
Josh MarshallHOST
10:02
But it does show that— you know, that may not be a good assumption going forward.
Josh MarshallHOST
10:09
You know, the other thing, again, and what is called the Purcell principle, which is this idea that you don't introduce big changes in either the... know things like districts you don't you just don't make big changes period to the entire administration and uh districts and everything tied to an election just before because that's disruptive and the impact of the disruption outweighs whatever you are trying to accomplish as we've seen over the last few years It's become more of the Purcell accordion principle, which is to say if Republicans want to do it like the day before is totally awesome.
Josh MarshallHOST
10:54
And if Democrats want to do it, a year and a half out is unacceptable.
Josh MarshallHOST
10:59
But it is worth saying that by any imaginable rationale, this would have to fail any real application of that test.
William BaudeGUEST
6:19
And it's really hard to do, especially because often people do try to, you know, do everything they can to get a political advantage.
William BaudeGUEST
6:27
The court has developed this principle, which used to be called the Purcell principle.
William BaudeGUEST
6:32
Now it might just call equity as applied to elections.
William BaudeGUEST
6:35
where they've said, in general, we should avoid, federal courts should avoid getting involved right before the election, because that could sort of disrupt the rules of the game right before the election, which seems like common sense.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
13:29
Nobody has the temerity to suggest that that which is patently unlawful is lawful.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
13:34
They just, as you say, use ripeness doctrine and standing doctrine and And in this case, there's the added injury, which I think is worth having you unpack for us, of batting away the Purcell principle.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
13:48
So there's actually in this context, right, in the elections context, another buffer to courts meddling in election cases while the clock is ticking down.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
13:59
And Even in that instance where the court has happily used the Purcell principle to say, oh, no, we're not going to do anything that is going to increase the franchise.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
14:09
Here, they're just unbothered by the fact that there is, again, it's a made up, judge made rule, but there is a rule and the court has no problem making short work of it.
Erwin ChemerinskyGUEST
14:19
Let me start where you do it by again emphasizing, if the courts can't hear the challenge, the effect is the same as the courts upholding the practice.
Erwin ChemerinskyGUEST
14:37
But if no one can sue to stop it, it's the same as the court allowing it.
Erwin ChemerinskyGUEST
14:41
And that's what we've seen in these recent cases.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
13:29
Nobody has the temerity to suggest that that which is patently unlawful is lawful.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
13:34
They just, as you say, use ripeness doctrine and standing doctrine and And in this case, there's the added injury, which I think is worth having you unpack for us, of batting away the Purcell principle.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
13:48
So there's actually in this context, right, in the elections context, another buffer to courts meddling in election cases while the clock is ticking down.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
13:59
And Even in that instance where the court has happily used the Purcell principle to say, oh, no, we're not going to do anything that is going to increase the franchise.
Dahlia LithwickHOST
14:09
Here, they're just unbothered by the fact that there is, again, it's a made up, judge made rule, but there is a rule and the court has no problem making short work of it.
Erwin ChemerinskyGUEST
14:19
Let me start where you do it by again emphasizing, if the courts can't hear the challenge, the effect is the same as the courts upholding the practice.
Erwin ChemerinskyGUEST
14:37
But if no one can sue to stop it, it's the same as the court allowing it.
Erwin ChemerinskyGUEST
14:41
And that's what we've seen in these recent cases.
Elie HonigGUEST
46:17
One, is it still premature, or are we close enough that we can decide now? Has the case ripened, as lawyers would phrase it.
Elie HonigGUEST
46:23
Two, does the executive order actually infringe on the state's rights to hold their own elections? And then third, a sort of wild card here, there's this thing in the law called the Purcell Principle, which says we cannot and should not change the rules around election procedures and balloting if we're too close to an election.
Elie HonigGUEST
46:41
Now, we've never been given a specific number of days, but man, 60 days is really, really close for all the reasons Gabe just laid out, all the technicalities, all the procedural problems that'll happen here.
Phil MattinglyHOST
46:52
Ellie Honig, always appreciate you, my friend.

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