Psychological pain

And then a nose ring at the end.

Yeah, all these things were just, a lot of these things were just a push to try and find something to kill the pain, because all the emotional pain going all the way back to childhood was never addressed.

And the fact that I would always, if somebody else wanted something and I wanted something, I would give it up.

Mm-hmm.

But three or four, we only worked together for four months.

Okay.

And after we had been broke up for almost three or four months, there was still an emotional pain from everything.

Like, well, you know, this always worked before, so I might as well do this again, try this.

Thank you for having me.

Two mottos that you live by are emotional pain is physical pain, and that you help people heal where trauma lives, which is in the body.

And those two concepts aren't unfamiliar to physical therapists, but your practice and your research takes it to a whole different level when it comes to treating individuals with chronic pain or with trauma or PTSD, mental health conditions, even work with people with substance use disorder.

These are areas that physical therapists are starting to move into, but you've been here for quite some time, which is one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on the podcast.

They had no reason.

They just had no idea why they were crying.

And so again, I'm trying to investigate the emotional pain, right? Again, from a PT, but they had been to therapy.

And I can tell you now, like, bullying causes emotional pain.