Principality of Hutt River

That's lovely.

At that time of the game, well, part of our business was marketing for the Hutt River Province.

Yes.

So I had him knighted.

There's very little I could tell you that he stands for in terms of the future of New Zealand.

And the way I'm starting to feel about this is the difference between when I look at the Waitemata Harbour versus the Hutt River.

Waitemata Harbour, sparkly and interesting.

Hutt River, that feels like Christchurch.

Chris Hipkins to me.

How dare you, you Auckland person, you.

I just don't think he is not comfortable as a people person.

And from here, as we've spoken about, the leaders that are going to do well in this campaign are the ones that can actually connect and make voters feel something.