Plutopia

And so it's kind of that, but then juxtaposed with all the kind of paranoia and Cold War stuff and tech.

And so that, now I've, just as coincidence really, I've just been reading a book, forgive me, I've not got it with me, so I can't say who the writer is, but it's called Plutopia.

And it's about, it's sort of talking about an American... nuclear processing plant and a Russian one and how they were kind of stealing secrets from each other and copying each other's own work or mainly the Russians stealing from the Americans I think to be

honest doing a knuckle version correct

Some other, it'll be some other city, won't it? Some other Colorado or whatever will be the next one.

I'm looking forward to that.

I should probably mention, actually, the book I talked about in the episode is Plutopia by Kate Brown, which I'm still working my way through, and it's just really harrowing, you know, all the corners that were caught in safety, not just in Russia, but in American society.

plutonium facilities with people having to process irradiated chemicals by hand and not even wearing gloves because if he wore gloves they couldn't pipette the sufficiently accurate measurements oh my god so read that, highly recommended if you fancy being upset about the past.