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"I had to move back.

The door almost hit my face," Ahmed told 972 Magazine.

The soldiers wanted to see his 15-year-old son, Zaid.

But when Ahmed told, led them to the boy, he thought they had, he had misled them.

Unfortunately, we never got the chance to meet face to face, but we started talking back then on the phone every few days To discuss your reports from Gaza.

And a week or so before October 7, you wrote an article for +972 Magazine about a new wave of protests at the fence, which lasted a few weeks.

But on the day we were planning to publish the piece, suddenly the protest stopped, and the piece was published on September 29, 2023.

I remember that while we were putting the final touches on the report, like, I remember that you told me that this sudden halt of the protests was very strange.

Um, I'm, I'm sure you recall, um, in July, late July, in Tell, southwest of Nablus, there was, um, uh, I mean, for a lo- the lack of a better word, a confron- a confrontation between armed settlers and Palestinian villagers, and it, uh, escalated dramatically.

Um, I saw that, uh, the video was analyzed by +972 Magazine, and it was reported by ABC at the time, and it showed, you know, a Palestinian man kind of wrestling a f- a rifle away from an armed Israeli and then firing it.

And, um, uh, in total, two Israelis and four Palestinians were killed.

Um, and, and that's obviously different from the Palestinians arriving at a con- confrontation that's already organized as an armed village mi- militia.

Why do you think people chose to speak with you in the first place?

This, this, this entire film really builds on, on investigative journalism that, that, you know, that, that I was a part of, but there's, there's an entire team behind, both at The Guardian, um, our colleague Harry Davis, who I've written investigations with, and other colleagues at +972 Magazine and Local Call, which Rachel mentioned, which is an Israeli-Palestinian media outlet that has, you know, reported, uh, I've reported for in Hebrew.

Um, it was very important for me to first and foremost write about these things in Hebrew to the Israeli society, which it-

You wrote about them as you uncovered them.

And Dr. Dalia Shindlin is a public opinion expert and strategic consultant with over 25 years of experience.

She co-founded Plus 972 Magazine, an award-winning independent magazine run by Palestinian and Israeli journalists.

She is currently a fellow at Century International and a regular columnist at Haaretz newspaper.

Her 2023 book, The Crooked Timber of Democracy in Israel, was listed among the best books of 2024 by Foreign Affairs.

And so the NASA situation is the most, one of the most obvious examples in which, um, an artist or a journalist is who steps, you know, out of line as far as the government is concerned is just, I mean, they're threatening to strip their citizenship.

I don't think it's going to happen, but it's this level of, um, you know, just total incitement, um, disproportionate, you know, it's just a movie based on very, very well fact-checked, cross-checked testimonies that The Guardian, which is a very reputable news organization, has worked on for three years.

These are things mostly that were already published by 972 Magazine, Local Call, and The Guardian, so it's not even that new.

But I think the movie is very damning.

And we've seen this play out concretely with the last couple of years.

And Gaza investigative reporting from 972 Magazine revealed an AI system called Lavender that generated over 37,000 targeting recommendations in just the first six weeks of the war.

Wait, let's

pause.

The army has responded to the individual allegations on the 500 deaths that was in a promotional video.

They've also responded previously to the reporting by Yuval Abraham, one of the directors, separately in 972 Mag and The Guardian.

They've responded to those allegations in detail, but we're talking about two years ago or more now.

It's possible the army will put out a much longer response to the film with detailed responses on each of the individual allegations, but that's yet to be seen.

Sorry, I don't know Hebrew, so I'm gonna be butchering these.

But Oren Ziv reported this for +972 Mag on September second.

So those who are familiar with Palestinian popular resistance in the mid to early two thousands, you've heard of Bil'in.

Lots of documentaries about it, uh, lots of international attention.

There have been these hikes.

This is a really ridiculous, insidious story.

Aharon Peretz and Roy Kleitman published an investigation of these hikes in +972 Mag in late August about these hiking groups, these organized settler hiking groups in the West Bank.

They've got really cutesy names sometimes, like Hiking Buddies, and they publish their routes, and they go from settlement to settlement, and they cross Palestinian farmland and springs and villages.