Pisco

I can't remember the small town in Peru that we went to.

Oh, Pisco.

Pisco.

Where they make a nice little pisco.

Pisco sour.

Yeah, pisco sour.

Very good.

Yeah.

Um, so what, can I ask you a question? What, um, with all, with all of the, the analysis that I've heard from you and I apologize, I don't, I don't know all the guys that you talk to, but all the stuff that you're, you're talking about, like with regards to fucking Pisco, Pisco was the name of a guy who was out there.

He was kind of like in the, in the thing that I saw when I was doing my homework before talking to you this time, he was kind of like backpedaling into like a negative position, like kind of, sophistry within a conversation, it triggered for me What is, how do you, if you're confronting in like a debate topic, like your Tim Pool thing or the thing that I was listening to the other day where nobody really stakes a position, they just kind of back out definitions or they will switch their, move the goalposts on you the whole time.

How do you, one, stay sane and two, like how do you drive a conversation forward at all in those on your side? Because I do think you're doing it, but it's imperfect at best, right?

No, no.

Just like Pisco says that we condemn the sex assault victim for not voting for Plattner,

we condemn

Obama for not running when he's needed to be Secretary of State.

Sure.

Pisco.

Agave spirits, which includes tequila, mezcal, sotal, ricea.

Well, yeah.

And it's a good thing to focus on.

Why is everything about fucking strategy with the left lately? Can't we just be morally repulsed by a terrorist supporting freak? Because the problem is that because so many people, whether you're talking about Islamists like fucking Mehdi Hassan, I guess, or you're just talking about people with no actual moral values or compass, so your Pisco's and your Josiah's, I guess, the issue you run into is people really don't know much at all about anything that Hassan has said or done.

So the feeling is just that he said a couple edgy things, I guess.

And, like, why would you ever hurt the chances of you winning an election based on a streamer who said some edgy things? That doesn't make any sense, right? So that's the reason why people are just like, I don't know why you would ever spend any time attacking this person.

And I'm actually going to fight for that, too.

yeah so i'll go even further than what you're saying okay like i think um where uh the left is really

I get that Josiah and Pisco takes on the DSA and their behavior regarding Hassan is pretty bad, and I wish they would change their stance, but I find it hard to believe that they have no moral values.

I don't think they will actually go full socialist.

I don't think it's a good strategy.

I think instead of saying, I'm going to tell you why, Hutchard say, what do you think I'm about to say? Because Pisco knows exactly what he's asking there.

But

I want to pick up as many seats as possible because I do think that we could have like a crazy map in 2028.

What's preferable? 0.5.

There you go, right? Yeah.

But that's not testing the same principle that Pisco asked about earlier, because in both those scenarios, he's winning the election.

It's not even it's not even testing the same question.

And of course, you can't leave the beautiful country of Peru without a bottle of...

Pisco.

You got it.

Exactly.

And I think actually the world needs more Pisco.

The Peruvian grape spirit that we all know and love is floral, fruity, it's aromatic, and it's really fantastic.

Not only to make your own Pisco sour, but it's something that's really special to bring home because there's so many different vineyards making it.

There's so many different varietals.

Yes.

That's not, that is not, that's not even what, Pisco, what was the objection you wanted to raise, to, to raise on that?

No, no, no, no.

I was gonna raise the Mind Wave comment too there, because I saw it and that was-

It is.

That was, uh-oh.

That's, now, now, now Pisco, notice, did I not predict that response?

Yes, you did.

One more quick story just to.

But you're going to have to step up and talk while you're doing the cable, while you're doing your Pisco punch.

Pisco.

Yeah.

When did you first discover Peruvian Pisco? I was at CUT.

This was 2017 or 18.

Okay, sounds about right.

And it was my first favorite craft cocktail.