Phillips O'Brien

They have never liked NATO and what they're trying to do.

Well, I would commend everyone to read Professor Phillips O'Brien's latest piece called Divide and Conquer, where he lays out exactly what they're doing.

They're trying to divide up NATO into parts to prevent a stronger European, not European sovereignty, but a Europe that is less dependent on the United States.

So that... to maintain dependence on purchasing weapons, for example, from the United States.

And plus, you know, you don't...

This administration would not want other people turning to UK and France to provide the nuclear deterrent, for example.

Phillips O'Brien articulates it much better than I can, but I would encourage everybody to read that.

It's a very good piece, and when I read it, I mean, I could just feel myself getting... uh really angry to see you after you know almost 80 years jesus uh of of what has uh more than 75 years of nato um what they are doing to it which undermines and tears at the cohesion which has been the secret sauce of NATO since its beginning, was this cohesion between the members.

I, and again, I, I don't know.

Did you, did you watch the, Bill Kristol did a conversation with Phillips O'Brien, um, this past week.

It's very good.

People should watch it.

And basically the idea was to use the center's resources and the LSE's convening power to bring people to LSE who are thinking hard about this question to ensure that LSE is part of the discussion and have an opportunity to listen to people who have given it a lot of thought.

And I could not be more pleased to have in the hall tonight Phillips O'Brien, whose title for this evening's lecture is like dead center on for the speaker series in terms of the theme and what we're trying to you know, kind of provoke and elicit.

Phil is based at the University of St. Andrews where he is the professor and chair of strategic studies and the former head, he's been relieved, he's stepped down, the former head of the School of International Relations.

He has written widely on issues of conflict, politics, war, strategy, including his most recent book, 2025, with Penguin Viking, War and Power.