Where do you think that confidence comes from? I

don't, you know, it's funny.

I don't think it's confidence.

It's more cause like, I know I'm not like the best or whatever.

It's just like, I think it's more so like self-assurance and like that is kind of confidence.

But I think, I think it's at peace of actually like liking yourself, if that makes sense.

Like, you know, really thinking like, I know I'm not perfect.

Yeah.

And he's seen other people threatened too.

A young lady rang 999 and we caught some hair courses on her father's farm.

She then started getting messages on social media threatening her with rape.

So she is still sitting, terrified, in her farm, Because she thinks that they are going to come and get her.

God, that's awful.

Is that because there's so much money at stake? Unprompted, he starts telling me about live streaming and Chinese gamblers.

I have seen at the National Crime Agency hair coursing being live streamed into China.

Individuals betting tens of thousands of dollars.