Philip Thalis

Mm-hmm

... and I had a wonderful mentor, Philip Thalis, um, who ran that practice, and he had studied urban design in Paris, and every building that we worked on was a piece of the city.

It was never an individual building-

Yes

You meet people who teach you, like you said in that practice-

Mm

... you know, meet- meeting a mentor who made you see a building as part of a city rather than just a standalone.

So do you think developing that kind of mindset helps you to, to go with the flow more? Because the flow is, is leading you somewhere.