Philip Smith

So to talk about Veggie and Hugh, that's what that is, without question to this day, is that, uh, I came home.

Some of those guys from that big-- I mentioned that big band in Surrey, the Music Makers, for a reason, 'cause a couple of the trombone players, good friends of mine when I came home, and I'd been away for about a year and a half.

They were like, "Hey, the place to go," 'cause they were in it.

They were in this band.

Like it wasn't luck.

He made certain things happen that then end up, you end up carrying something like that with you, you know, like for the rest of your life you carry that kind of thing.

You mentioned Kenny Wheeler.

Is this Banff opportunity era where you met people like that, is that what leads later to something like Music for Large and Small Ensembles?