Philip Rycroft

It's early days, early stages.

Here now with a perhaps more down-to-earth and balanced take on what's possibly to come, our public policy expert Peter Foster and former civil servant Sir Philip Rycroft in conversation last week.

with Matt Fry on LBC.

And so was born the EU-Canada Association Agreement.

But is this the beginning of Carney's middle power alliance? And how do we fit in? Peter Foster of the Financial Times.

He's their world trade editor.

And Philip Rycroft, former permanent secretary at the Department of Exiting the European Union.

Let's start with you, Peter Foster.

And that's why the little ones ultimately will always struggle to be more than the sum of their parts.

Philip Rycroft, is geography more important than shared values?

It depends what aspects of the world you're looking at in terms of trade and defence.

Clearly, absolutely right.