Philip Hinchcliffe

Like we had The Master back in season 14 and then you've got to go back again to Tom's first season really.

I mean the timelines have always been in the background but it's interesting like over since the first year of Philip Hinchcliffe like with then Unit going back Like there's been less and less Doctor Who continuity.

It's here, obviously, the Time Lords and that.

But in the Graham Williams time, there's not a lot of it.

But they had faith in him.

They knew what he could deliver.

And all of these brilliant figures who we know, Barry Letts, people like Philip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes, they didn't have to go to Terry for the android invasion because they weren't contractually obliged to offer him a story unless it was the Daleks.

But they did go to him and say to him, can you give us another story which isn't the Daleks? Because they rated working with him.

Stop Hannah-sign.

Yeah, because she's also in that Philip Hinchcliffe book, the Cutaway Comics one.

Yeah, she's got an essay in that as well about outside broadcast.

It's very Hannah.

I

think they would have made a direct sequel during Tom Baker, but the sequels during Tom Baker tended to be more revisionist and Philip Hinchcliffe trying to move on from Barry Letts.

Yeah,

well, past his first scenes, there's very little returning villain in Tom Baker.

doesn't redo, and Sontarans.

Sontarans.

But I think the Zygon, the Zygons are sort of the sequel, but done through the lens of Philip Hinchcliffe.

So it's kind of, like you were saying, Ryan, about how the Zygon invasion could have been a Silurian story.

But it, but it sort of, it, but it's, again, it's sort of Season 11 horrific.

It's, it doesn't feel kind of Hinchcliffe/Holmes or anything like that, does it?

What's so odd is the cut now down to the catacombs.

Yeah, there are-

And I think The Ark in Space as well is a really well-executed horror story.

But this is his pièce de résistance.

It's where Philip Hinchcliffe said, "Have a load of money, have a Welsh location shoot, um, have the best designers we can find.

I'm going next year.

What they didn't expect to be a send off.

And this is what Hinchcliffe says on the commentary.

He's like, I wasn't expecting this to definitely be the last time we saw

them.

down a ravine.

Yeah, making mistakes that further the plot was Harry's kind of role.

I think Hinchcliffe has sort of noted that, though, that getting rid of Harry as a character when they did was probably a bit premature and they really were onto a good thing.

Now,

We all do.

But it's, it's that thing of, like, what we all responded to back in the day when Philip Hinchcliffe took over, you know.

And the Crinoids, and the Zygons, and the Wirrn, brand-new monsters.

Mm.

The tone is generated from the top.

Philip Hinchcliffe, Robert Holmes set the tone of what they're doing in the conversations they have with Terry Nation during the script wr- You know, they, they don't just say, "Oh, go off and write us a six-part Dalek story.

It'll be about the creation of the Daleks.

Bye.

There's cosmetic differences to it, and Robert Holmes has come in and he's tickled up the dialogue here and there-

Right

... as Philip Hinchcliffe puts it, which is what he did with everybody.

It's what Chris Boucher does with Terry Nation on Blake's 7.