Can you talk us through a little bit, when you began to share that with friends and family, what was that initial response like and how do they handle those conversations now?

When we had our original conversation, And I said to you at the time that coming from the background that I came from, I came out very late.

And it was a really difficult rebirth.

But so when I... found the community and I found a community of feeders and gainers and was able to identify myself as not alone in this, but, you know, someone who had a kink.

I decided that I was going to avenge my coming out and that instead of just, you know, being a feeder to a gainer, I'm just going to let everybody know that I had just discovered that.

something I had carried with me all my life, had a community and that I was a feeder.

And I was surprised at how fascinated almost everyone was.

So when you first found the community online, what made grammar feel different or like a true community for you? And how have those connections grown into lasting friendships?

When did you first start to hear about the idea of this becoming a tour?

I'm gonna, I'm gonna say that there was little, little sprinkles of, uh, ideas floating around even before Edmonton happened, and that was just with me.

Um, I brought Todd and Brent into the fold for the Edmonton thing, and...

But what happened, um, was, "Hey, we wanna do something, but, you know, we need help." And, you know, the guys are 72, so...

And Rick is...

Oh, my God, we, we were on the phone yesterday.

He's, he's like a kid right now getting ready to do this, and he was like, "Hey..." 'Cause he's like, he was, he was doing this whole, uh...

So, um, when that happened, did you know Rick back then, or, y- 'cause you had just said you just kinda got to know him a little better now, so it doesn't sound like when you were actually in Triumph as his replacement, that you actually had much interaction with him?