Phil Brown

That's what it was.

And Phil Brown.

Yeah, Phil Brown doing that.

They were like top four in like November or December.

Yes.

[laughs] I was listening yesterday.

Phil Brown was covering the Latics game, and I wrote down from that two phrases that he mentioned that I thought were applicable to repeat today.

We were all right between the boxes, so instead of thinking outside of the box, we need to think inside the box and be good in the box at either end.

Although defensively, I think in general when we, we...

You know, we, we do obviously have lapses, but we're on a par with most teams.

And the other thing which absolutely ties in with what we've been saying that Phil Brown said was, it's over-complicated.

'Cause he, he said, "I've been given upper management for eight months," whatever it is, nine months.

And he said, "And there's so much you could do here just by making it simple," and telling them, "Don't over-pass it.

It's about the personality and having someone in the building seven days a week.

You don't want, you know, I'm not saying I'm a form of players, but I'm not going to name any names, but we had players in the past that were very much like, Phil Brown could get a song out of them, but you didn't like, you didn't want them around the dressing room.

You didn't want them around the club.

You

Um, and I got a text from Amari Morgan Smith saying, do you fancy coming in and training? Um, I was like, yeah, because I'd signed up for the PFA camp that just started it.

So I thought, yeah, be great to get back in an environment um it seems professional and it was the first year they did it but obviously it's gone on from strength to strength um and i was like yeah why not stay on the road um went in there and after two days i was like i love this do you know what i mean maybe because i'd had that period out but also as well like the level shocked me the not being a snob but also I'd never played at that level but you could see the potential you could see the club for what it was it's a massive club and it's a sleeping giant in my opinion but after two days Phil Brown came up to me and said what are you doing at this level like why are you here and I was like explaining the situation and stuff like that and he's like would you sign here and I was like

yeah

why not like I just want to I just want to enjoy football again um and it kind of went from there and like you say after two days of just training with them because it wasn't even a trial it was just come down and train after two days Phil Graham was like yeah we want to sign you um do you fancy it and I was like yeah um I'd love to I spoke to my missus and obviously about it and in Birmingham it just ticked all the boxes and for me it was like but I had an open conversation with them I said to them like before they offered me the deal I said like I need to be managed I haven't played football for 18 months I'm coming off the back of illness there might be times where I might need to be managed in terms of load or I might not quite be right and if it ever gets to a case where it was like before just rip my contract up And they were a bit taken aback, but to be honest, they were like, what, you'd actually rip your contract up? And I was like, yeah, because like, when I was at Solihull and I first started having those symptoms, you have people questioning you.

Absolutely.

Well, You've played for several managers, some very big names.

I'm going to ask you about the two at Kidderminster, Phil Brown and then Adam Murray.

What was it like playing, first of all, for Phil Brown, then Adam Murray? I mean, everybody remembers Phil and the Manchester City game with the whole play.