Phil Brickell

And then also there was a speech from Jim Shannon who spoke about financially vulnerable women.

And then interestingly, Phil Brickell spoke about, he actually, in an intervention, he asked if the government sort of knew or recognised that there's a particular UK agency called My Surrogacy Journey, who he has heard of accusations of bullying and kind of silencing of concerns.

in their Mexico branch that's out in Mexico City.

And then The Guardian did an article on that and they spoke more about sort of the insurance failures and what that actually relates to.