Peter, tell me what was it like for you building with your hands a house that God really built for you?

Well, when I went bankrupt, I used to call it financial manslaughter.

I did three years of financial manslaughter.

That's how I looked at it.

You know, that's how I justified it or I just made it look.

Anyway, so it was 1989, 1992, 1993 when we came out of bankruptcy and it was actually Ursula that said, we've got to get into the housing market.

And she's still saying that to people today.

Now that you're both on the other side, owning your home again, planted in your church, do you ever feel like that season still has unfinished work in you? Yeah, I do.

Peter, tell me what was it like for you building with your hands a house that God really built for you?

Well, when I went bankrupt, I used to call it financial manslaughter.

I did three years of financial manslaughter.

That's how I looked at it.

You know, that's how I justified it or I just made it look.

Anyway, so it was 1989, 1992, 1993 when we came out of bankruptcy and it was actually Ursula that said, we've got to get into the housing market.

And she's still saying that to people today.

Now that you're both on the other side, owning your home again, planted in your church, do you ever feel like that season still has unfinished work in you? Yeah, I do.

Peter, tell me what was it like for you building with your hands a house that God really built for you?

Well, when I went bankrupt, I used to call it financial manslaughter.

I did three years of financial manslaughter.

That's how I looked at it.

You know, that's how I justified it or I just made it look.

Anyway, so it was 1989, 1992, 1993 when we came out of bankruptcy and it was actually Ursula that said, we've got to get into the housing market.

And she's still saying that to people today.

Now that you're both on the other side, owning your home again, planted in your church, do you ever feel like that season still has unfinished work in you? Yeah, I do.

So when did this value of liberty arise?

So, as you say, I lived in China for a long time.

It was about 10 years in total.

And I guess the story that people might expect me to tell is that I lived in China and I saw how kind of oppressive the Chinese system was.

And then I realized the value of liberty.

It's not quite that pathway.

Basically, in China, I ended up coming to China with a... an idea about what it was gonna be like based on the name of the political system.

Do you have any personal views around the potential for the UK to remember that love of freedom and play a role again?

What was going through your mind at that time? How did you feel about that?

I thought it was incredibly inappropriate for this person to bow down, but also for Uncle Robert, again, his real name is Robert Booty, to accept it.

So let's set the stage.

He lived in California.

We lived in, part of this time, Idaho, part of the time in Montana.

We would go to Northern Idaho to my in-law's house, and we would have what was called a conference.

And we would do this once or twice a year.

What is the main message you would like readers to take away after reading your book? And where can viewers and listeners find your book?

Yeah, and talk about, you know, the Declaration of Independence, right? Because that's at the core of what this nation was built on.

Yes, and it was the first of what many people recognize as the so-called charters of freedom, which would be the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

And we all fall back to what those documents allow us as Americans to be.

And we talk about the rights that we have.

And those rights are initially documented through those three documents.

An interesting connection that Hawaii has to them is that while the Western world didn't know about the islands at the time of the approval of the Declaration of Independence, Cook and his crews were in the Pacific at the time, but he didn't bump into the islands until 1778.

And so that was the first contact with the Western world.

And share with our listeners about this simulcast that you've got planned.

But-

I think it's the supply side, but then also, which is the planting, but also the demand side has really changed as well from my vantage point.

And part of that might be related to how wine has changed in, in the media.

You know, during that, that time period, we have all this negative health messaging related to alcohol in general, which impacts wine.

My hypothesis is that wine kinda rode the tail up of positive media health messaging after the French paradox, right? Where you say a little bit of alcohol and particularly red wine is sort of good for your heart and that sort of thing, and leads to longer health outcomes, which is still, people are still proving so far is true.

But the negative message around, like, no alcohol is good for you, raises your risk of cancer, whatnot, now they're not putting it in the context of, like, it's still better maybe than getting in a car [laughs] or, like, doing a bunch of other things, right?

I know I'm ranting here, but, I mean, does this make sense?

I, I would say yes and no because, like, to me, the wine industry is two markets.

But what was the ultimate final straw? How did you leave the cult of Booty, the Booty cult?

So the Booty cult, it's almost like I'm...

My story's probably a little different in that I effectively got kicked out when Paige left me.

So, you know, recall, as we spoke earlier, you know, I had two wedding bands.

We sent the extra one to him, so he's wearing my wedding band.

And then a few years later, she wanted to be a surrogate to provide a male heir for Uncle Robert.

And then in January 2017, she'd had enough of me because she felt like I was not pure enough, not devoted enough to Uncle Robert.

Where are they in their journey? How are you doing with it? And your patience is commendable.

Give us, paint that picture.

Conferences were wild.

So we would have them maybe once or twice a year.

They would be in northern Idaho at my in-laws house, so just north of Coeur d'Alene, and we would sit around in the living room for a couple days and listen to Uncle Robert speak kind of impromptu, which at times was impressive.

I mean, the guy could talk for hours.

We would listen to him speak for hours, you know, let's say two, three, four days in a row.

And much of the time he would be sharing stuff that I had never heard in the churches that I had gone to when I grew up as a kid, then as, you know, a teenager and as an adult.

... do go ahead.