Peter Sutherland

And I think if he hadn't been there, if the leader of the opposition had been somebody that Fitzgerald felt he could go across to and consult and would trust, then we might not have seen the Eighth Amendment.

We might have seen Peter Sutherland's.

His attorney general had an alternative wording and we might have expected to see that wording get in.

You know, as somebody who came of age slightly really at the end of that period or a little bit after, you know, I do find it a little bit frustrating when people line up, say, Gareth Fitzgerald on the liberal side, socially liberal, and Haughey on the conservative side, because it wasn't really like that.

They have said so themselves on many occasions, in many papers, in many documents, in many interviews.

Peter Sutherland, who is the former boss of Goldman

Sachs...

Can I just interrupt you for a second? Yes.

And there were different proposals regarding how this amendment might be worded.

Peter Sutherland, who was the Attorney General at the time, so he's legally advising the government.

And in this case, it's the Fine Gael Labour Coalition that's in power from 1982 to 1987.

He had severe doubts.

One was ...

The, the first one was Denis Sutherland, but I couldn't put myself through any of his films that I-

[laughs]

... wanted to choose, so ... 'Cause he just ha- 'cause he has that shit-80, shit-80s grin that I just cannot bear, so I don't ...