So how is that changing or does it change your approach to a race?

Well, you know, I think it's kind of a couple things come to mind when I think about technology and our boat.

I mean, first of all, just the design and structure of the boat.

If you're not familiar with it, it's a really, really incredibly well engineered carbon composite boat that Paul Beaker designed and Jim Betts built down in Anacortes, Washington.

I always say that Longboard wasn't built in a boat yard, it was built in a lab.

It was built with CNC machines and heated vacuum tables.

It was a remarkable design process or build process to watch and and a really interesting design process.

It's time for the salty dip.

You got this.

[laughs] So the other thing that's important to, to know here is none of this is possible without this, like, fundamental shift in the global economy.

So we talk about removing individuals, and I talked about this idea of there being arms dealers who used to be called by the F- the FBI used to call them super connectors, right? There were people who were brokers in a global world and were able to access certain types of technology, materials, goods that primarily came from the West.

So 20-odd years ago, if you wanted to build a, a drone like the Shahed 136, which is the really famous drone that the, the Iranians have been flying into various bits of Gulf infrastructure since the beginning of this, this year, you needed to go to Germany to, to get the engine.

You needed to go to the United States to get the guidance component, so on and so forth.

And what's happened over the last 20 years is this revolution in manufacturing, where China has gone from being a low-cost manufacturer of kind of cheap, low-tech goods to the world's largest producer of intermediate goods of really increasingly high quality and increasingly low cost.

So where, you know, in 2009, IRGC operatives were trying to get hold of 60 engines to, to make a drone from Germany, and they got caught.

Because for me, that is the-- that's the case study that really, uh, illustrates the, the accuracy of your central findings and, and really terrifyingly sets us up for like, oh God, if that is true, what does that mean as we move into bigger and worse, uh, conflicts?

Yeah, and this brings us back to it's not the percent of GDP you're spending on defence.

100%.

At the same time, what's been happening is Iran and Hezbollah were training all these groups often in the same place.

And in some cases, so the Houthis and some Iraqi groups were the test drones out themselves.

So they developed these horizontal connections.

So when you think back to 2005, 2006, so like the big sort of Hezbollah-Israel war.

Which we're old enough to remember.

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Peter, unmute yourself and share your thoughts with our listeners.

So I think the first thought I have is less to do with my current work and more my longstanding frustration as a former international crisis group conflict analyst and someone who actually teaches a course on international conflict resolution about the fact that we abuse and misuse the words ceasefire and peace deal.

And I say that because for the past however many months we've been calling it a truce, which is an informal agreement between actors not to shoot at each other, a ceasefire.

And a ceasefire is a formal agreement that delineates the terms of a cessation of hostilities.

And now we're calling what is very clearly a tactical interim deal that will move us towards talks between Iran and the United States over a permanent settlement to resolve their various differences.

We're calling it a peace deal, right? So what's been agreed in the last few days is a ceasefire deal in some ways.

It's got some of the elements we're interested in, but it's an interim deal.

Please ask me your questions about Israel.