So I suppose the question here is, how do you know if what has been built is ready for production?

Well, I suppose I would say, truthfully, I don't.

But I have a sort of set of a process or a set of procedure to go through to try and eliminate as much of that as I possibly can.

But I'm also honest to say that I'm not a developer.

And if I was to hand that code across to either of you and you were to sort of do an analysis of it, I would expect you to find things wrong with it.

but i wouldn't i'd be embarrassed if you said this is completely sort of like completely open it's not secure or whatever so you know i sort of have a process that i go through and um yeah you know with going through each of the tools i'm sort of give it you know um clarifying questions and sort of uh talk it through and obviously giving it context as well so giving it sort of knowledge and maybe reference documents and so to adding to its own knowledge and obviously it's knowing the outcome and it may even think about some of the weaknesses of it and try and get it to implement that i use a few things to try and sort of cut down the code so use principles of a thing called ponytail okay but basically it's you only use the um the the code the only any right code that you actually need and it also audits the code base to make sure that it hasn't already been written so it doesn't duplicate effort which sometimes with like tools like lovable it will just oh i need this function it doesn't go back and check to see if the function has already been written it just writes it again but one of the things that i do is i audit it in that way and say go back have you written the same function three or four times can you condense this And out of

Do you want to educate ourselves and the listener on Remy?

Yeah.

She says the women's crimes should be punished, but the group's successful integration into Australia reduces any risk.

These children had no choice.

They have no agency in where they ended up.

Some of them were born in these camps.

One of the things that we do know about successful reintegrations, both here and in other countries, is that the more we get the focus on safety and wellbeing, the safer all of the community is.

She says the women's crimes should be punished, but the group's successful integration into Australia reduces any risk.

These children had no choice.

They have no agency in where they ended up.

Some of them were born in these camps.

One of the things that we do know about successful reintegrations, both here and in other countries, is that the more we get the focus on safety and wellbeing, the safer all of the community is.

Peter, can the law compel children to undergo de-radicalisation?

It's not necessarily compelling them, as I understand that they're going to be offered involvement in some of those programs.

But if there are risks or there are certain welfare concerns for those children, then the same as we would capture any other welfare concerns under our child protection legislation, we can ensure that children get access to services that they need.

What do you think is the most important thing the government and involved agencies can do in the interest of national security when it comes to managing this group of women and children?

Look, I think one of the challenges ahead of us as a community is one of the things that is going to impact us all on safety is how well these families feel like they fit back into society.

And I know that's challenging for some.

If they've committed offences, then they should go before the court and charge the same as anyone else.

And the court should hand down those consequences.