Peter Katis

It's, it's interesting to think about 'cause I feel like I've not been able to have the same kind of exposure maybe to working with other people 'cause I live somewhat in my own, like, upstate, and I haven't been in LA or in the city very much to work with people.

But early on, Peter Katis, who made The National, like, he made Alligator and Boxer and, um, and he made, you know, Interpol's Turn on the Bright Lights and Antics.

And, like, I learned a lot from him just about our music and, like, how he approached things.

And then as I, as I got into producing more and more, it...

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... we would either have to wait a few months to go back with Peter Katis who, who, uh, we had recorded with for him to mix it-

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