Why don't you reframe it for the listener? What is the hero's journey? And then we'll put it in context with your life and then the lessons you're offering all of us in terms of how we look at the journey we're all on.

If you think about it as a circle, and interestingly enough, it goes counterclockwise.

It really starts with you in any point of life where you just sort of begin.

And whether it's going to college or moving to New York or Toronto or, or LA, there's this sense of something is going to change, and that's a call to adventure.

You know, new job or marry this person.

And then as you are about to embark on that, there's a line that's right across the middle of that circle, which Joseph Campbell calls the guardians of the gate.

And those often push us back to make sure, Tony, that you and I are fully intentional about our choice.

Do you feel like that's a headwind you're dealing with when you're out there talking to people, going, "You know what? You're gonna have to work at it, but if you do, you're gonna see the results"?

So can you touch on that?

Yeah, so part of what I tell in the book is some of those memoir stories.

And then in grad school, I got into the heroic journey, the Joseph Campbell heroic journey.

If you're not familiar, folks, it's really an amazing circular journey of recognizing that there is a point of departure And a place where you leave, whether you're leaving New York to go to Minnesota or leaving to get a new job or whatever.

And then there's a preparation and there's these stages around the circle.

And I began to look at my life and saying, well, if I can look back at my life as a heroic journey.

What were the guardians of the gate? What were those things that pushed me back? What was the road of challenges? What were the hard things that really hurt that were hard to get through? You know, you lose your luggage, you got sick, you had malaria in Africa, you know, tropical ulcer.

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