Peter Elworthy

I mean, South Canterbury's had about, I think, four national presidents.

We had Peter Elworthy, Tom Lambie, William Rolston and now Colin Hurst.

And there might even be other ones that I'm not sure of.

But yeah, it's great.

I've got, um, a mortgage and, uh, debts and, and, um, that's about it really." [laughs] So in a funny sort of way, we ended up respecting each other, and we sh- shook hands when I left.

And then, um, a week or two after that, my-- Don Ringgard, my boss, got a call from, um, Peter Elworthy, Sir Peter, or then Sir Peter, the late Peter Elworthy.

He was the chairman of Ravensdown.

He said he wanted to come up and have a talk to me about the information, which I did, and he said, "Yeah, I want you to convince," um, you know.