... an, an ongoing debate we have within our China watching community.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

I think there is, um ...

I, I still think there's a real important element of reactivity.

Um, you know, I I don't know why Japan and the Philippines decided to announce in this period of time that they were going to do these negotiations.

You know, this is, this is just clearly designed to provoke China.

I, I...

Um, so, uh, do you think China's using genuine gaps in the treaty to justify a broader argument that the entire framework is due for renegotiation? Um, and if so, where is that argument likely to go next, especially with things like the international seabed authorities' deep sea mining regime still unsettled?