That was a surprise to you,

huh? That's quite a surprise to me.

But I checked into it.

It was a really neat program in information technology engineering done by some people I really, really respected.

So I ended up at George Mason in 1985. finish there in 89, but stuck around the Washington DC area for a couple more years to start playing my trade, if you will.

And the nice thing about George Mason was that the faculty there taught me not just how to be.

good with the you know things you have to do to be a phd but they also taught me how to be a consultant which was an added bonus and getting consulting training is fabulous if you've got a really good teacher on it i had several and so i finished that process and then went into the pentagon and i was hired by something called the center for information management at the corporate information management initiative so that yes they use two acronyms to I mean, two different things with the same acronym in the same office I was in.

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