Peston

Yeah, yeah.

I, I, um, I heard him on, uh, both Rob Peston and Laura Kuenssberg say, you know, this summer, in all his decades in politics, this is the first time that his family are saying, "Actually, you know, we think you need to stop now." They don't, you know, he doesn't have their support.

Um, and actually he told Peston, uh, I think Peston asked him about Zia Yusuf and, you know, what ambitions he might have on, on the leadership at some point.

And Farage said, you know, "If the Reform members, um, would prefer Yusuf to me or any other, you know, then, then I'd, I'd-" I would recognize that.

Mm.

have different problems.

And it was from conversations of being on Newsnight, of being on Question Time, of being on Sky, or being on Peston, or being on whatever else.

And when I had the opportunity to speak to front bench ministers, people within government, that absolutely understood the issues but wouldn't say or couldn't be a part of it because it's not policy off screen and going, they can see, they're listening.

Business and Trade Secretary Peter Carl had a whole conversation with him about business rates and how big an issue it was.

When you are an insurgent, it's all about talking to your own people, and so far they've been excellent on raising the salience of policies such as wealth taxes, rent controls, and actions against Israel's genocide in Gaza.

But once you've become a mainstream party, your policies have to appeal to those outside of your own coalition, and they have to be defended against your opponents, such as this moment on ITV's Peston.

We live in one of the wealthiest countries in the world, but you can speak to almost anyone and people know that they don't feel wealthier.

Their bills are going up, their wages aren't going up.