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Oct 24, 2026
The Significance of Khe Sanh w/ Thomas777 - Complete
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28:38Thomas777GUEST
Okay.
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28:40Thomas777GUEST
That's why the army had a nuclear capability in the final phase of the cold war, you know, the Pershing two deployment, um, which was a then cutting edge, the Pershing 2 was a then cutting edge theater ballistic nuclear missile, you know, and that so shook up the Soviets that it led to, you know, them acceding to that drawdown of all intermediate nuclear forces in Europe.
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29:13Thomas777GUEST
But it was standing policy to utilize tactical nuclear weapons where appropriate.
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29:20Thomas777GUEST
The purpose of nuclear forces isn't to stockpile them and never, ever use them.
The Significance of Khe Sanh w/ Thomas777 - Complete
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22:35ThomasGUEST
OK. That's why the army had a nuclear capability.
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22:42ThomasGUEST
In the final phase of the Cold War, the Pershing 2 deployment, which was a then-cutting-edge theater ballistic nuclear missile that so shook up the Soviets that it led to them acceding to drawdown of all intermediate nuclear forces in Europe, but it was standing policy to utilize tactical nuclear weapons where appropriate.
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23:17ThomasGUEST
The purpose of nuclear forces isn't to stockpile them and never ever use them.
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23:22ThomasGUEST
And the distinction between tactical and strategic forces and counterforce and countervalue targeting is meaningful.
The 20-Year-Old Trying to Get Nuclear Legalised in Australia - EP 76
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4:05Markus LambertHOST
and possibly our power in Germany was a bit cheaper because of that.
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4:10Markus LambertHOST
But I was always nervous because not only did we have, when I left, it was with Western East Germany, we had 4,000 Pershing II missiles with nuclear warheads sitting there.
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4:22Markus LambertHOST
The Americans always said, oh, we neither confirm or deny, but then when they packed them up, it was very secretive and very protected, so it was nuclear warheads.
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4:31Markus LambertHOST
And then we had the nuclear power plant.
Episode 771: Mid-OCT Free for All
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36:37SalHOST
It gives you the ability to do A really exponentially more sexy thing, those who remember the original T-LAMs had TERCOM, Terrain Following Radar, basically.
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36:55SalHOST
Like the Pershing 2, they had a similar thing, using mostly radar to navigate based upon having a digitized map, being able to get around.
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37:08SalHOST
But More than that, using all sorts of fun things, the ability to navigate with a detail that they can fly through your car window from a thousand miles away without requiring external inputs, i.e. you can jam the GPS, you can jam your Starlink, or you can dial back the Starlink, as we've seen read about recently, but it doesn't make a difference.
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37:36SalHOST
It is literally the fire and forget.
Mini Series Part 6 - Empire's End
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22:12Simon PetersonHOST
Exactly, which was part of the problem.
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22:15Simon PetersonHOST
This increase in realism, combined with the already tense relations between the US and the Soviets, not to mention the anticipated arrival of Pershing II nuclear missiles in Europe, led some members of the Soviet Politburo and military to believe that Able Archer 83 was a ruse of war, obscuring possible preparations for a genuine nuclear first strike.
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22:35Simon PetersonHOST
Oh, shit.
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22:37Simon PetersonHOST
So having actual heads of NATO countries probably didn't help.
Questions Swirl Around MV-75 And Army Aviation
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16:29Steve TrimbleGUEST
I mean, actually, I think one of the more exciting developments or intriguing developments of the past decade has been the Army's move into this long-range strike area.
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16:42Steve TrimbleGUEST
So, you know, going back seven, eight years, the longest range weapon system the Army ever had, well, I mean, after Pershing II, was the Atakans with a 300-kilometer range.
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16:58Steve TrimbleGUEST
And that was as far, if the army wanted to hit a target, it better be within 300 kilometers range or they weren't gonna be able to get it.
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17:06Steve TrimbleGUEST
Now they've got several options and more are coming that go way farther, right? They're in the process of the delayed fielding of the long-range hypersonic weapon by Lockheed, the Dark Eagle missile with that.
The Complete Cold War Series w/ Thomas777 - 2 of 2
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93:13Thomas777GUEST
The Kremlin had a hard time kind of discerning those signals.
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93:17Thomas777GUEST
They thought that Amin was likely gonna kind of court like an Islamist coalition, um, around like a nominally Marxist-Leninist government, and then was gonna pivot to the West through Turkey and become this client regime, um, of the sort that America always wanted Iran to kind of become and would, was gonna welcome, you know, forces to be based there, you know, including things like Pershing II missile platforms.
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93:45Thomas777GUEST
And in the Andropov, Ustinov, Gromyko view, like this was the checkmate scenario in the Cold War.
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93:54Thomas777GUEST
And secondarily, a lot of people don't know this, Afghanistan actually has fairly substantial uranium deposits.
55 MINS LATER
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149:03Thomas777GUEST
But also, uh, it shows you, uh, the degree to which, um, you know, like we were talking about a minute ago, the deg- the, the degree to which, you know, con- conditions of, of absolute peace, you know, could, could become conditions of general nuclear war, I mean, rapidly.
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149:21Thomas777GUEST
You know, there wasn't, there wasn't this kind of like, you know, scaled escalation over, you know, over days or weeks or even hours, you know? Um, the second aspect of this was Reagan, uh, um, is, you know, kind of, um, prompted by people like Caspar Weinberger and a, and a lot of the Team B types.
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149:44Thomas777GUEST
Um, Reagan had an i- Reagan, um, he greenlit the deployment of the Pershing II intermediate range ballistic missile platform to Europe, to the Bundesrepublik, to, uh, Italy, to the Netherlands, um, some of the UK, I believe, although I don't think they ever arrived.
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150:07Thomas777GUEST
Um, this would've, uh, this would've given NATO a profound edge on in-theater nuclear weapons, and, um, so deployed, uh, they could reach Moscow within minutes, okay? Um, this really terrified Soviet war planners, um, and for good reason.
The Complete Cold War Series w/ Thomas777 - 1 of 2
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288:46Thomas777GUEST
That's the way kind of Cold War historians think of it.
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288:49Thomas777GUEST
But what preceded Able Archer, um, and one of the things that, you know, created the conditions that, that, that, that led to the war scare was, uh, the threatened deployment of, uh, the Pershing II platform in West Germany, you know, which, uh, really was a game changer.
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289:06Thomas777GUEST
And, you know, the, the end of detente really kind of shattered the assumptions that had underlay, uh, you know, um, deterrence, uh, from, uh, the Cuban Missile Crisis onward.
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289:20Thomas777GUEST
But that's a complicated issue, but we'll get into, uh, we'll get into, uh, Johnson, Vietnam, and Nixon next episode.
The Complete Cold War Series w/ Thomas777 - 2 of 2
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97:29ThomasGUEST
The Kremlin had a hard time kind of discerning those signals.
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97:33ThomasGUEST
They thought that Amin was likely going to kind of court like an Islamist coalition around like a nominally Marxist-Leninist government and then was going to pivot to the West through Turkey and become this client regime of the sort that America always wanted Iran to kind of become and was going to welcome, you know, forces to be based there, you know, including things like Pershing II missile platforms.
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98:02ThomasGUEST
And in the Andropov, Ustinov, Gromyko view, like this was the checkmate scenario in the Cold War.
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98:10ThomasGUEST
And secondarily, a lot of people don't know this, Afghanistan actually has fairly substantial uranium deposits.
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155:17ThomasGUEST
The second aspect of this was Reagan, you know, kind of prompted by people like Casper Weinberger and a lot of the Team D types.
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155:33ThomasGUEST
Reagan had an idea.
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155:35ThomasGUEST
Reagan, he greenlit the deployment of the Pershing II intermediate range ballistic missile platform to Europe, to the Bundesrepublik, to Italy, to the Netherlands, some of the UK, I believe, although I don't think they ever arrived.
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155:56ThomasGUEST
This would have given NATO a profound edge in theater nuclear weapons and so deployed they could reach Moscow within minutes, okay.