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Pershing II

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Oct 24, 2026

Thomas777GUEST
28:38
Okay.
Thomas777GUEST
28:40
That's why the army had a nuclear capability in the final phase of the cold war, you know, the Pershing two deployment, um, which was a then cutting edge, the Pershing 2 was a then cutting edge theater ballistic nuclear missile, you know, and that so shook up the Soviets that it led to, you know, them acceding to that drawdown of all intermediate nuclear forces in Europe.
Thomas777GUEST
29:13
But it was standing policy to utilize tactical nuclear weapons where appropriate.
Thomas777GUEST
29:20
The purpose of nuclear forces isn't to stockpile them and never, ever use them.
ThomasGUEST
22:35
OK. That's why the army had a nuclear capability.
ThomasGUEST
22:42
In the final phase of the Cold War, the Pershing 2 deployment, which was a then-cutting-edge theater ballistic nuclear missile that so shook up the Soviets that it led to them acceding to drawdown of all intermediate nuclear forces in Europe, but it was standing policy to utilize tactical nuclear weapons where appropriate.
ThomasGUEST
23:17
The purpose of nuclear forces isn't to stockpile them and never ever use them.
ThomasGUEST
23:22
And the distinction between tactical and strategic forces and counterforce and countervalue targeting is meaningful.
Markus LambertHOST
4:05
and possibly our power in Germany was a bit cheaper because of that.
Markus LambertHOST
4:10
But I was always nervous because not only did we have, when I left, it was with Western East Germany, we had 4,000 Pershing II missiles with nuclear warheads sitting there.
Markus LambertHOST
4:22
The Americans always said, oh, we neither confirm or deny, but then when they packed them up, it was very secretive and very protected, so it was nuclear warheads.
Markus LambertHOST
4:31
And then we had the nuclear power plant.
SalHOST
36:37
It gives you the ability to do A really exponentially more sexy thing, those who remember the original T-LAMs had TERCOM, Terrain Following Radar, basically.
SalHOST
36:55
Like the Pershing 2, they had a similar thing, using mostly radar to navigate based upon having a digitized map, being able to get around.
SalHOST
37:08
But More than that, using all sorts of fun things, the ability to navigate with a detail that they can fly through your car window from a thousand miles away without requiring external inputs, i.e. you can jam the GPS, you can jam your Starlink, or you can dial back the Starlink, as we've seen read about recently, but it doesn't make a difference.
SalHOST
37:36
It is literally the fire and forget.
Simon PetersonHOST
22:12
Exactly, which was part of the problem.
Simon PetersonHOST
22:15
This increase in realism, combined with the already tense relations between the US and the Soviets, not to mention the anticipated arrival of Pershing II nuclear missiles in Europe, led some members of the Soviet Politburo and military to believe that Able Archer 83 was a ruse of war, obscuring possible preparations for a genuine nuclear first strike.
Simon PetersonHOST
22:35
Oh, shit.
Simon PetersonHOST
22:37
So having actual heads of NATO countries probably didn't help.
Steve TrimbleGUEST
16:29
I mean, actually, I think one of the more exciting developments or intriguing developments of the past decade has been the Army's move into this long-range strike area.
Steve TrimbleGUEST
16:42
So, you know, going back seven, eight years, the longest range weapon system the Army ever had, well, I mean, after Pershing II, was the Atakans with a 300-kilometer range.
Steve TrimbleGUEST
16:58
And that was as far, if the army wanted to hit a target, it better be within 300 kilometers range or they weren't gonna be able to get it.
Steve TrimbleGUEST
17:06
Now they've got several options and more are coming that go way farther, right? They're in the process of the delayed fielding of the long-range hypersonic weapon by Lockheed, the Dark Eagle missile with that.
Thomas777GUEST
93:13
The Kremlin had a hard time kind of discerning those signals.
Thomas777GUEST
93:17
They thought that Amin was likely gonna kind of court like an Islamist coalition, um, around like a nominally Marxist-Leninist government, and then was gonna pivot to the West through Turkey and become this client regime, um, of the sort that America always wanted Iran to kind of become and would, was gonna welcome, you know, forces to be based there, you know, including things like Pershing II missile platforms.
Thomas777GUEST
93:45
And in the Andropov, Ustinov, Gromyko view, like this was the checkmate scenario in the Cold War.
Thomas777GUEST
93:54
And secondarily, a lot of people don't know this, Afghanistan actually has fairly substantial uranium deposits.

55 MINS LATER

Thomas777GUEST
149:03
But also, uh, it shows you, uh, the degree to which, um, you know, like we were talking about a minute ago, the deg- the, the degree to which, you know, con- conditions of, of absolute peace, you know, could, could become conditions of general nuclear war, I mean, rapidly.
Thomas777GUEST
149:21
You know, there wasn't, there wasn't this kind of like, you know, scaled escalation over, you know, over days or weeks or even hours, you know? Um, the second aspect of this was Reagan, uh, um, is, you know, kind of, um, prompted by people like Caspar Weinberger and a, and a lot of the Team B types.
Thomas777GUEST
149:44
Um, Reagan had an i- Reagan, um, he greenlit the deployment of the Pershing II intermediate range ballistic missile platform to Europe, to the Bundesrepublik, to, uh, Italy, to the Netherlands, um, some of the UK, I believe, although I don't think they ever arrived.
Thomas777GUEST
150:07
Um, this would've, uh, this would've given NATO a profound edge on in-theater nuclear weapons, and, um, so deployed, uh, they could reach Moscow within minutes, okay? Um, this really terrified Soviet war planners, um, and for good reason.
Thomas777GUEST
288:46
That's the way kind of Cold War historians think of it.
Thomas777GUEST
288:49
But what preceded Able Archer, um, and one of the things that, you know, created the conditions that, that, that, that led to the war scare was, uh, the threatened deployment of, uh, the Pershing II platform in West Germany, you know, which, uh, really was a game changer.
Thomas777GUEST
289:06
And, you know, the, the end of detente really kind of shattered the assumptions that had underlay, uh, you know, um, deterrence, uh, from, uh, the Cuban Missile Crisis onward.
Thomas777GUEST
289:20
But that's a complicated issue, but we'll get into, uh, we'll get into, uh, Johnson, Vietnam, and Nixon next episode.
ThomasGUEST
97:29
The Kremlin had a hard time kind of discerning those signals.
ThomasGUEST
97:33
They thought that Amin was likely going to kind of court like an Islamist coalition around like a nominally Marxist-Leninist government and then was going to pivot to the West through Turkey and become this client regime of the sort that America always wanted Iran to kind of become and was going to welcome, you know, forces to be based there, you know, including things like Pershing II missile platforms.
ThomasGUEST
98:02
And in the Andropov, Ustinov, Gromyko view, like this was the checkmate scenario in the Cold War.
ThomasGUEST
98:10
And secondarily, a lot of people don't know this, Afghanistan actually has fairly substantial uranium deposits.

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ThomasGUEST
155:17
The second aspect of this was Reagan, you know, kind of prompted by people like Casper Weinberger and a lot of the Team D types.
ThomasGUEST
155:33
Reagan had an idea.
ThomasGUEST
155:35
Reagan, he greenlit the deployment of the Pershing II intermediate range ballistic missile platform to Europe, to the Bundesrepublik, to Italy, to the Netherlands, some of the UK, I believe, although I don't think they ever arrived.
ThomasGUEST
155:56
This would have given NATO a profound edge in theater nuclear weapons and so deployed they could reach Moscow within minutes, okay.

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