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Oct 14, 2026
Leon FrescoGUEST
So let me take you through this.
Leon FrescoGUEST
So whenever a, a company wants to sponsor a foreign national for a green card, meaning lawful permanent residence, they have to go through this process called the PERM process, which is a Department of Labor process, which means as follows: You have to show that you are unable to find an American worker who's willing and able to do the job at the prevailing wage, meaning you can't undercut wages.
Leon FrescoGUEST
But here's the problem.
Leon FrescoGUEST
So the Department of Labor says, "Here's how you do this s- job search." And they have 10 things in a list, and then you can pick three of them.
Leon FrescoGUEST
And so it's basically a, a drip, drip, drip deportation of many, many highly skilled foreign nationals who are in the United States.
June GrassoHOST
Do the companies have any way to appeal?
Leon FrescoGUEST
Yeah, certainly now they could file an Administrative Procedure Act case, s- uh, challenge it, suing the Department of Labor and challenging their, uh, dismissal from the PERM program, and it's gonna depend.
Leon FrescoGUEST
We're gonna have to wait and see.
JD VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
Now, there are two ways this system fundamentally works.
JD VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
The H-1B visa is how the people get into the United States in the first place, and then a PERM program is how those employees stay.
JD VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
So after a couple of cycles of H-1B, uh, reapplication, the, the companies will then apply for a PERM, a P-E-R-M, which will allow the employee to stay, get a green card, and potentially stay in the United States indefinitely.
JD VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
So the H-1B visa is how people come into the-
Matt EricksonHOST
[laughs] Stephen Miller's like...
Matt EricksonHOST
He's like, "I'm bald.
Matt EricksonHOST
No need for PERMs in America."
JD VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
... country.
Zak PaineHOST
Of course, he is leading the effort to uproot all of the fraud.
Zak PaineHOST
And a big part of this is the suspension of Microsoft from the PERM program, as well as a number of huge corporations.
Zak PaineHOST
So during this press conference, and we are gonna watch quite a few clips from it, it was a long and lengthy conference.
Zak PaineHOST
I kinda wish we could watch the whole thing, but I feel like I got the best clips out of the entire, uh, uh, uh, event.
Zak PaineHOST
So JD Vance announced that the Labor Department is indefinitely suspending Microsoft from the PERM program.
Zak PaineHOST
That company, Microsoft, can no longer use the PERM program to sponsor H-1B workers for green cards, which means that a- all of the H-1Bs that they have hired throughout the years who do not yet have a green card to be a permanent resident They will not be able to ever get one while they're working at Microsoft.
Zak PaineHOST
He made this announcement at the press conference early today, along with the anti-fraud task force that he chairs.
Zak PaineHOST
He shared there was an ongoing investigation that found something we've spoken about on a number of occasions.
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Zak PaineHOST
And JD Vance was leading this team.
Zak PaineHOST
Of course, he is leading the effort to uproot all of the fraud, and a big part of this is the suspension of Microsoft from the PERM program, as well as a number of huge corporations.
Zak PaineHOST
So during this press conference, and we are gonna watch quite a few clips from it, it was a long and lengthy conference.
Zak PaineHOST
I kinda wish we could watch the whole thing, but I feel like I got the best clips out of the entire, uh, uh, uh, event.
Zak PaineHOST
So JD Vance announced that the Labor Department is indefinitely suspending Microsoft from the PERM program.
Zak PaineHOST
That company, Microsoft, can no longer use the PERM program to sponsor H-1B workers for green cards, which means that a- all of the H-1Bs that they have hired throughout the years who do not yet have a green card to be a permanent resident They will not be able to ever get one while they're working at Microsoft.
Zak PaineHOST
He made this announcement at the press conference early today, along with the anti-fraud task force that he chairs.
Zak PaineHOST
He shared there was an ongoing investigation that found something we've spoken about on a number of occasions.
Brian NicholsHOST
And speaking of who gets to be here, by the way, Indiana just handed me a story that hits a lot closer to home.
Brian NicholsHOST
Today, JD Vance announced Microsoft is suspended from the Labor Department's PERM program, and the reason, you're a great American company, but you've got to hire great American workers.
Brian NicholsHOST
And it's not just Microsoft.
Brian NicholsHOST
Adobe got hit, too, so did outsourcing giants like Infosys, Tata, Wipro, and Co- uh, Cognizant.
Brian NicholsHOST
So here's a quick explainer.
Brian NicholsHOST
PERM is the step where an employer has to prove there's no qualified American for this job that they're going ahead and looking to get a sponsor for for a green card.
Brian NicholsHOST
And now this comes to my, uh, state where I live here in Indiana.
Brian NicholsHOST
State Representative Andrew Ireland flagged IU hiring yet another H-1B software engineer.
speaker_7SOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
Now, there are two ways this system fundamentally works.
speaker_7SOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
The H-1B visa is how the people get into the United States in the first place, and then a PERM program is how those employees stay.
speaker_7SOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
So after a couple of cycles of H-1B, uh, reapplication, the, the companies will then apply for a PERM, a P-E-R-M, which will allow the employee to stay, get a green card, and potentially stay in the United States indefinitely.
speaker_7SOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
So if the H-1B visa is how people come into the country, the PERM program is how they stay in the United States to begin with.
Shawn FarashHOST
And that needs to stop.
Shawn FarashHOST
That is a way for people, a vessel for people to come into the country who don't necessarily want staying here.
speaker_7SOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
... a scandalous system that we've allowed in this country for far too long.
speaker_7SOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
But thanks to the work of this task force and thanks to the empowerment of the President of the United States, we are gonna stop it.
Chris PaulHOST
mean, I don't know.
CannConHOST
All right, this is Secretary of Labor Keith Sonderling talking about the PERM program and visas and all the stuff that has been thwarting American jobs for the last God knows how long.
CannConHOST
This administration
Keith SonderlingSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
knows that American workers are the best and brightest in the world.
CannConHOST
A million applications, 230,000 jobs.
CannConHOST
These are high quality, you know, high paying jobs.
CannConHOST
These are, you know, STEM, as they like to call it, STEM jobs, as PERM likes to call it.
CannConHOST
What does PERM even stand for? that's what this whole thing
J.D. VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
Now, there are two ways this system fundamentally works.
J.D. VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
The H-1B visa is how the people get into the United States in the first place, and then a PERM program is how those employees stay.
J.D. VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
So after a couple of cycles of H-1B, uh, reapplication, the, the companies will then apply for a PERM, a P-E-R-M, which will allow the employee to stay, get a green card, and potentially stay in the United States indefinitely.
J.D. VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
So if the H-1B visa is how people come into the country, the PERM program is how they stay in the United States to begin with.
J.D. VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
Now, there has been no company in the United States, unfortunately, that has abused this system more than Microsoft.
J.D. VanceSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
And let me just give you a couple of statistics on this.
BradPANELIST
They're doing something about it.
BradPANELIST
I mean, they suspended, um, what is it, the PERM program, P-E-R-M? They suspended Microsoft from that.
BradPANELIST
So I don't, I don't know what that means 'cause I didn't get a chance to dig into the article too deeply, but it sounds like Microsoft is, is not going to be allowed to get H-1B visa employees now.
BradPANELIST
And, and to kinda go a little bit further on there, I mean, JD Vance broke down the numbers yesterday, and it was-
Joe GigantiHOST
He goes on to explain there's a program that needs to be changed.
speaker_9SOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
The H-1B program and the PERM program that's attached to it have explicit statutory commands that must be followed.
speaker_9SOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
It requires individuals, for example, to have a unique, highly specialized occupation, as one example.
speaker_9SOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
And yet in case after case after case, we see individuals that are being brought into the country for skills that are not specialized, that are not unique, and that are not skilled, and that are doing work that is currently being done by American workers, but at vastly lower pay.
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