What was it like working with those two together?

Let me be clear.

If I don't have fun with the players I have at my disposal, or the [laughs]So all the times here, the people, all the club work for the players.

Yeah.

Well, I wanna be happy, too.

I deserve to be happy, and that's happened when [laughs] the players are, are, are good.

Otherwise, you can have a lot of ideas, fantasies, and incredible game plans.

It really, it was the one time I genuinely was like, "[beep], [beep] the boss." [laughs]

... really, that he didn't fit how you play.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

But maybe with time we have then and learning, but I regret it for the, for the time.

In that moment I said I have to be, I believe in that.

Always I'm a stubborn in, in my decisions.

When I believe in that, when I have doubts, I talk with the people.

It is with you.

Um, I guess there's a lot to say about that, but what did you make of it? And do you, do you come away feeling that because you scored so late that it's, it, it's a good point? Did you come away frustrated by having the lead and, and, and losing it?

Well, uh, uh, it's better the point than don't point, and it would have been better win the game that we needed at, at the point.

So in the game, many things happened.

We, I think, make a, considering the difficulty of the opponent, the incredible, incredible aggressive, uh, they play.

Uh, we were there, we composed.

The first half was exceptional and, uh, yeah, and after that, the second, they make a step up.

We, we played a good, good process, but not maybe the, the intention that we had in the first half.

I mean, how much did the pressure of everything that's going on in terms of knowing you've got to win these finals play in those, do you think?

Tell us what you thought of the performance.

No, tough first 10, 15 minutes at every game here in London Road.

Leeds, they're so aggressive in duels, but after we, we make a lot, a lot of thousand million passes.

Still, it works in football, and, uh, we control the transition, everything.

In the right moment, we punish us.

In the start of the, yeah, the last 15, 20 minutes start create the sense of, in the beginning was just passes but without sense to attack.

And after that, we create a little bit more, not a lot, because I know how tough they are.

knowAnd in terms of the way the team is gaining confidence now, eight wins in nine games in all competitions, that must bode really well going forward.

I love failures." I wonder, wh- why do you love them? What did you learn about yourself?

No, it's about yourself is that you are in the society that if you no, no post on Instagram, you, you know, we're in a restaurant, incredible salad or meat or fish, you are, you are, you pretend you are incredible happy, you are incredible happy.

So, uh, I like, I like when, when the people say, "What, what is your opinion about any subject?" So, "I don't know." So we pretend in our society for the kids to be perfect, to be just winners, to be, uh, to take the excellence, to take, uh, uh, you know, beat the Europe and the com- come on.

So we try to do our best.

You try to do your best, and better, but sometimes you don't win.

What is the problem? So I don't feel I failed.

Uh, completely the opposite.

Do you need to win that again?