People's Policy Project

And also, there's a great thing, you'd be fascinated.

I don't know if you've, uh, followed Matt Bruenig at People's Policy Project, but he talks about sort of the transitory nature of pov- poverty in America, where it's like the population of people who are poor is actually not very stable from year to year.

Mm-hmm.

And so, like, you can fall into poverty at any point, and you're always at threat, because we don't have any social safety net in America, of falling into it.