Penny W. Stamps School of Art & Design

Noah is also a graduate of U of M's Penny W.

Stamp School of Art and Design, where he earned a Bachelor of Fine Arts.

And his arts education will be part of our topic today to talk about how it laid the creative foundation for Leon Speakers and his entrepreneurial ventures that have followed.

Noah, it's great to welcome you to Creative Currents.

And so my journey really was always through an art lens.

And it really took me almost wherever I always wanted to be or go.

So you grew up in New York, and then you came to Ann Arbor to come to the Stamp School, right?

Even that was...