I realized that

the shows were like, that was a different side of the coonhound world that I thought I could excel in.

And one of the first people I saw was Mike Seats.

He had a tri-colored, really pretty English female at the AKC World in 92, 93, I want to say.

And I think that might have been a young Bobby Lou before Don Hill bought her.

And that female, I remember looking and I said, I want one like that.

And come to find out, those just don't grow on trees.

Yeah