Peggy J. Kleinplatz

And I would say I was just deeply curious about people, very relational.

And then when I was in undergrad at the University of Ottawa, I took a course, a human sexuality course, with Dr. Peggy Kleinplatz.

Oh, yeah.

You know her.

Some research, they contradict this affirmation, this ideology that desire fades with age.

Peggy Kleinplatz's optimal sexuality research says that bad sexual experiences are often reported after 60s, not 20s and 30s.

So it looks like that as older people get, as experienced they get, more pleasure they have during sex.

And this is driven by presence.

Yeah.

But I think what's so beautiful about Peggy Kleinplatz's work, you know-

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... talking about great lovers is it's not just, it's not about lust and chemistry and novelty.

The other thing I wanted to say is that I think a lot of younger folks feel like old folks don't have sex or that the sex they have would necessarily be bad.

And Peggy Kleinplatz, who's a sex therapist and sex researcher, she did a really big study on people who have great sex, who have been having great sex with their partners of multiple decades.

And the stories that she heard from these people about their sex lives were were spectacular from people in their 70s, their 80s, right? Folks absolutely can have sex throughout their entire lifespan.

You can have amazing sex.

But it really brings this feeling of being really alive, even in amidst kind of that grind of daily life, the middle road that George says.

Yeah, and Peggy Kleinplatz, right, who did so much work, who endorsed this book, which is an honor for both of us, right, talking about what great lovers do regardless of sexual orientation, religion, or anything else.

That's why it's nice to have science and attachment theory to back up what we're talking about.

We don't have to, we...