Pedro Zamora

... an HIV positive person, you know, was or what they could do.

You know, Pedro Zamora and Magic Johnson, and I got to meet-

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Arthur Ashe Stadium is the largest tennis stadium in the world.

Finally, in 1994, a gay man living with AIDS named Pedro Zamora appeared on MTV's The Real World.

You know, where people start be- stop being polite and start getting real.

Real World, I wanted to be on that show so bad.

So, you know, both he's not closeted, but the reality is, even if you look like this Abercrombie model, you're going to be with a closeted guy.

And then the other part was Pedro Zamora.

So it's like a kind of like a person who would die in front of all of us of AIDS.

And those two kind of moments were like, well, OK, so I guess it's like OK to be gay, but it's not necessarily happy.