Y- you adopt that kind of ideology, and now you gotta kinda pay a price for it, so to speak.

Yeah, absolutely.

I agree with that.

They have bad leadership that just needs to be completely...

Just get rid of everyone over in charge there.

The fact that the WNBA is continuing to make headlines, and not a single one of those headlines has to do with the actual playing of basketball, and also encouraging more young girls to join the league, I think that's really the saddest part that I'm seeing here.

They should want young girls to play in this league, and they're not doing that.

Right, right, right

... yeah, and it, and they're, they are women who are in this position, uh, to have power over billions of women in this country, and they're choosing to stand against that.

And it's all feminism, it's believe all women, it's all these talking lines until it comes to something that the Democrat Party doesn't believe in, which for whatever reason happens to be that they believe men can become women, and that's, and that's what I'm seeing here.

And so it, it is disappointing to see that, but it shouldn't be partisan.

It shouldn't be a political issue.

And yeah, to that, I think this should've been a nine-zero issue.

We're in the 250th anniversary of this country.

Where is Lia Thomas now?

Like, they- they play seasonal professional lacrosse and they make almost no money doing this, very little money, and they don't say, "Pay us what you owe us."

That's actually so funny.

Uh, I think I know a couple of guys that play professional lacrosse as well.

I mean, th- it shows that if you wanna do your sport, you absolutely should.

I think women should have an opportunity to have professional leagues.

I think the WNBA existing is obviously a good thing.

Uh, I'm always here to advocate for- for women only leagues.

What- what did Trump do? It looks like, uh, things have changed with UPenn.

Like, they, they play seasonal professional lacrosse, and they make almost no money doing this, very little money, and they don't say, "Pay us what you owe us."

That's actually so funny.

Uh, I think I know a couple of guys that play professional lacrosse as well.

I mean, the, it shows that if you wanna do your sport, you absolutely should.

I think women should have an opportunity to have professional leagues.

I think the WNBA existing is obviously a good thing.

Uh, I'm always here to advocate for, for women only leagues.

What, what did Trump do? It looks like, uh, things have changed with UPenn.

Okay, so, and as I mentioned, and as you know, it, the, the reason any of this could get done right now is obviously through the, the steady work of women like you, but thanks to having President Trump in place to actually see this through.What do you think of President Trump's involvement in all of this, and how exceptional has that been?

I mean, I'm getting exactly what I voted for, uh, truly.

I mean, he campaigned on this, and it's, it's one thing to campaign on this and g- and get voters over and get people riled up on this issue, which absolutely that alone I'm so grateful for.

But they're delivering on their promises.

I mean, I remember when Trump got into office, I said, "Okay, I imagine he's gonna sign some executive order about men and women's sports." He did it in his first couple weeks in office.

There's so many issues he had to come in and clean up after a Joe Biden presidency, and he took attention to do this.

I was so grateful to be invited to stand behind the president when he signed his executive order back in February.

How do you square their presentation with reality?

Remind us of that time, you know, what happened after that and how you felt and how you felt treated by the university back then.

Yeah.

So, uh, Lia Thomas obviously won the NCAA championship in the 500-yard freestyle, uh, but there was so much more that happened, uh, before that even.

Um, before that even happened, he was put on our team.

He was previously a member of the men's team and the university said he wants to be a woman, therefore he can join the women's team, and he was undressing in our locker room 18 times per week, competing alongside us, going to meets.

And when we tried to raise our concerns to the athletic department, they told us that him being on the team was a non-negotiable.

They said if we ever spoke out against him being on the team, that we would regret it, we would spend the rest of our lives tainted by it.

As this issue sort of, uh, flushes out here, if it becomes a precedent, if other universities sort of shift policy, is that how this sticks, regardless of a law, regardless of a policy? Like if universities say, "We're gonna follow this lead," then is it less likely that it shifts or changes back in the future?

It feels pretty arbitrary and, and obviously political.

It's...

The entire situation is just completely ridiculous.

I mean, even on the women's swim team at Penn, before Lia Thomas was competing on it, our coach had told us we had to have more women on the women's roster or men would have to get cut.

And every single season, it would be up to the number of girls he'd recruited, or even if a girl chose to quit, it would c- cut another boy's spot off our team.

I mean, this is something we dealt with in all of college.

And now it's like, well, actually, the men, if they get cut from the, the men's program, they can just hop onto the women's team.

... who swam Division I as a female?