Paul Denholm

Jackie Snow has been reporting this for Quartz, and she took it to the least hype-prone person you could find.

I talked to Paul Denholm, a senior research fellow at the National Renewable Energy Lab.

I asked him straight up, is squeezing more out of the grid we have the answer? Or is it a rounding error disguised as wishful thinking?

It's definitely meaningful.

And so the grid is just not being used that much.

I talked to Paul Denholm, a senior research fellow at the National Renewable Energy Lab.

He spent his career, as he puts it, hiding electricity from you so well that almost nobody sees the overbuild.

As an electrical engineer and power system engineer, I like to keep it that way, right? Like I don't want anybody to ever have to worry about their lights going on.