Paul Dacre

is now serializing a book authored by someone who would please the anti-Charles faction.

So it does seem to me that this shows how Paul Dacre, for all his many sins, is always driven by the story and will always go for the story, whatever else is going to happen.

And I rather like him for that, actually.

David, you mentioned what Brian Appleyard wrote about the funeral and people sort of applauding what Spencer said during the funeral.

Selden has his correspondence published due to their foul content.

Not only that, but his opinions are, in the opinion of Fleet Street's finest Paul Dacre, quote, woefully ill-informed and hilariously inconsistent.

In the last week alone, Titch Marsh has held three different positions on the Lisbon Treaty.

On Monday, it was a necessity.

And

then I was poached by Paul Dacre of the Daily Mail.

And the rest is history.

So that was 2005, Sandra.

Um, and then-

I'll just add, there's a lot to talk about there, and, uh, part of my talk at the UK Column conference, uh, at the weekend will be on the subject of the Daily Mail and Paul Dacre.

Uh, because of course, Mr. Dacre was, uh, speaking out pretty strongly recently about how mainstream press is being attacked for reporting what would've been quite acceptable to report just a few years ago.

Okay.

I mean he's high I like him

but I love he's a proper like Paul Dacre of the Daily Mail isn't he he's a really awful human who just gets fixated he's not really Murdoch he's more Paul Dacre I think because he's fixated and petty and really like obsessive he never seems to become like a millionaire either like he always seems to be quite working class I think in the late ones, he becomes more of a CEO type, doesn't he? But I like in this early one where he's just like sleeves rolled up, shouting at everyone, chomping on a cigar.

I love the kid who turns up and like finds Spider-Man's outfit.

What does he say? He says something when he comes in.

You've got to bear in mind, you know, during this period and after it, you're comparing it to newsrooms like the ones run by Murdoch, vicious, competitive, bruising, very, very commercially minded, quite shouty.

Newsrooms run by Paul Dacre, the Daily Mail, a man who basically, whose editorial meetings, in many cases, saw the back of his shirt covered in blood because he got so angry hearing the news that he started scratching himself to the point that he pierced his skin, screaming in his blood-shattered shirt, you fucking , you fucking , you fucking .

So on that basis, The Telegraph has a very, very different ambience to it.

Are you allowed to

I spoke to a lot of people who've worked at The Telegraph for this, some of them very, very senior indeed.

And they would constantly say this thing.

It's been like, look, when you worked at The Mail, if you worked at a Paul Dacre paper, or you worked at The Sun or The Times, these were in very many cases like editorially led newsrooms.

The editorial desk will say to the reporters, this is our line, go and get me a story that backs that line up.

So the big focus seems to be the accommodation.

And first of all, where are they getting this money from? If I was Paul Dacre, who is the man that runs the publishing wing of the Daily Mail, I'd be thinking that $12 million that you've earmarked for this house somewhere in Oxfordshire needs to be going into our bank account because Mr Justice Nicklin, who oversaw Harry's disastrous legal action against the Daily Mail, which saw all 97 claims thrown out, has granted the Daily Mail unlimited legal expenses.

on the part of the claimants, and Harry's one of those.

So I don't know where the money's going to come from, given that Harry could be on the hook for $10, $15, $20 million to pay off the Daily Mail.

And you checked in with those things and stories kind of.

had a natural like they happened and they they could have a beginning a middle in the end but now like a new story sort of just goes you know and you're constantly it's constantly sort of updating in a way so nothing ever finishes but nothing ever starts and so getting a grip of what the news is or what is important is very difficult because it's just this constant sort of um river of stuff flying past you and of course news now is just um another aspect of the entertainment business and is you know if you're picking up new stories via tiktok or your facebook feed or your instagram it's just it's just even with a load of other stuff so it's just another form of um something to grab your attention and it doesn't um ascend to it it doesn't have it doesn't have a high it doesn't it's not treated as something with a higher level of value and also it just means that people making the news are often acting in the same way as influencers or entertainment people it's the same stuff it's why a lot of media ethics is kind of what ethics there were was as kind of dissipated in a lot of areas like you could say the tabloids are less voracious than they used to be but i would say look at the broadsheets and their standards have have declined so it's kind of everything is is is sort of the same in a way like and particularly in the uk you've got the issue of the the telegraph the daily mail and the times they're all led by people who got their start and their training at the daily mail under paul dacre so actually like the news mentality for a huge spectrum of it are from men who learn how to do news and how to run newspapers from from paul dacre it's why when you look at the modern times you think often think this feels a lot like the daily mail and it's because the same the same sort of attitude has moved from

training yeah yeah yeah yeah i know how to get eyeballs i know how to shift units and that's it it's it's if you look at the daily mail and they they became they were so good at getting uh clicks they were so good at getting you know uh volume to their website with the stories that they were putting out and everybody followed suit because because it was like we're not selling newspapers we need people looking at our stories on their phones on their laptops on their computers whatever that's what we need so who are the people that do that and that's obviously they all they all it makes sense they all came from the daily mail the um so the so if you talk about clickbait and sensationalism and fear and uh and the the economics of attention where does the the othering of people come into it in relation to, like people might look at the Daily Mail and say, it's a bit racist, you know, it's got a tendency to be a bit racist.

Maybe I wouldn't say that, maybe you wouldn't say that, some people would, you know, there's this feeling that- Oh, I would definitely say that.