worked with them for many years, yeah.

Beautiful.

I dieted guayusa, and, you know, we opened the diet, we had four ceremonies in silence, and then a fifth ceremony after we had closed the container of silence.

Every morning I drank and sang to the tea, the guayusa tea, and And there were a couple other people much more advanced who have done multiple dietas who were dieting trees.

And from what I remember, the core distinction between dieting guayusa and dieting a tree, I forget what it was, but you, I'm sure, would recognize the name, is that for dieting with guayusa, After that 10-day period of silence, it was another four weeks of no sex, no other substances, being mindful of media, being mindful of just the sort of cleanliness of the energetic container.

That was for the guayusa, for the trees, it was six weeks after the close.

So there was a little bit more depth there.

It may be an unpopular opinion, but I'd say in general for men it tends to be more intense and for women it tends to be less intense.

practitioners who are able to give you ketamine, right?

Licensed practitioners who can provide you with ketamine.

It's a great antidepressant.

It's fantastic for suicidality.

It's very accessible.

It only lasts about an hour.

So it's a very short experience as well.

How do you see the future of this type of use in a therapeutic sense? I mean, do you feel like it's going to start getting ruled by the FDA or the psychologists or, you know, the MDs or somebody? And it's going to be kind of clinicalized? And do you see a value in a more underground approach?

Mm-hmm.

You're on a journey.

You're in an altered state.

With microdosing, you don't see any of the...

the, the fireworks, if you will.

It's, it's a little more boring.

Um, and so the intention really is to see what unfolds over this, you know, six weeks that people are, are on a microdosing protocol.

With the microdosing, will you know sort of day one, "I think that was too much." Or is it, and we'll talk about stacks and things like that and protocols, but is it day four you realize that or three weeks in you realize that? Like how does that, that work?