Paul Allen

We picked Six of Bills and Six of Berries to recreate, kind of put our own breath and heart into and put that out as an album, which we did in 2025 and started touring again.

us and canada playing these songs just as a duo just john and i the album was also rounded out by our producer friend paul allen who's a brilliant brilliant musician and producer um also a part of the joey song family now i

was just saying he's part of the family so

he absolutely is um so we just it's a it's a love letter to it's a love letter to the brothers and we get to keep them in our hearts all the time every time we sing these songs

There was no decisions or anything made.

We just talked, you know, about what we did the last four years and how we came about it and And Paul Allen, you know, he's been on for two terms, and he said this was the best people to work with.

He said usually by two and a half years, there is somebody at somebody else's throat.

What we could do better, sometimes when decisions need to be made, of course, there's always that gray area And sometimes I think we have all the information, but we're afraid to make the decision because we know it's going to anger some people.

Now the breach is putting AI oversight and accountability in the spotlight.

Bloomberg's Paul Allen reports from Sydney.

Representatives from Anthropic, Microsoft, Google, all coming here today for the Select Committee on Artificial Intelligence.

The star of the show, however, was Jason Kwon, uh, the chief strategy officer for OpenAI, and he began his testimony to the committee, uh, with a apology for a data breach that happened back in June.

This hearing wraps up its work at the end of November.

There's likely to be some sort of legislation in 2027, but the goal for Australia here is to manage the risks of this technology without crushing the opportunities that are provided by it as well.

Paul Allen, Bloomberg, Sydney.

That hearing highlights a bigger question.

And, and with respect to this, I always remember one of my first mentors was the, um, was the gentleman who started the first, uh, startup, um, that I was employee number one, um, uh, at.

It was the bank restructuring firm that I refer to in the book, and the founder was Paul Allen.

And, um, and he said to me that a- at some point, I think it was probably two or three years in, maybe two or two banks in, after restructuring a couple banks, and he said that the only way you are going to be able to progressively take your craft to the next and then the next to the next level is when you learn how to put that, "It's not good enough.

It's not good enough.

... are in that five.

Um, I think continuity's important.

And then, um, I mentioned, um, Paul Allen.

He was definitely one of the five because it, it was a very important, um, formative time for me to be working with him, and he was, he was tough.

I'm your host, Eric Wilson.

My guest today is Paul Allen, the founder of Ancestry.com and now the founder and CEO of Soar and Citizen Portal.

Paul built one of the first companies to take an enormous unread archive and make it personal for hundreds of millions of people.

Now he's applying AI to a different archive, the meetings, ordinances, and records of local government that basically no one reads.

And let's just embrace the good.

All right.

Well, my thanks to Paul Allen for a great conversation.

You can learn more about his work in our show notes.

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