Do you ever get cease and desist or threats of lawsuits?

Oh, totally.

We just had one recently and I would say that blew up pretty good.

If you follow me on LinkedIn, you were probably pretty privy to that.

Yeah, no, we've gotten threats.

A lot of them kind of fall flat when you answer, right? A lot of them are just like, hey, threatened to escalation.

The one that happened recently was like a full demand letter, even though it was like a very informal one.

Yeah,

I want to start off with like, just what's your journey into real estate? Cause I know like so many, you know, bigger pockets played a meaningful step in your, in your investing journey.

Yeah, totally.

I mean, bigger pockets played the first step in my investment journey in the very early bigger pockets days, I would, I would say so.

I mean, I don't know, maybe that's relative to me, but, I was working at a company called Gartner at the time.

And it was my W2 corporate job.

I was doing sales there.

And I had a buddy who picked up a duplex.

So I saw an email last week or the week before, and I believe you'd gotten a cease and desist letter or some type of legal letter from a sponsor regarding one of the reviews, a LP, and used the platform left on there, right? Can you like recap and tell us a story or whatever you can comment on it?

So what originally led you to start InvestClearly? Was there like a gap in the market you were seeing or was there a specific moment or experience that made you realize that this needed to exist?

Yeah, yeah.

So when I tell the story, it's almost like all roads led to invest clearly in my life.

So I started off in corporate America working for a company called Gartner.

And what they do is they provide IT research and advisory services to both tech vendors and tech providers.

And like third party verification was the center of every decision there.

But more importantly, they also had a subsidiary, which was a software review site.

So say an operator has a 22% IRR average and they've had a couple of bad deals, the best possible way, how should they communicate that?