Otto Scharmer

Now you just reminded me of the quote that actually, um, inspired me to write my second book, Leading On The Edge.

It's the quote by Otto Scharmer and Ewa Pomeroy, and- and essentially it says that, uh, some of the- the biggest problems today in the world, uh, uh, are not wars or climate change or inequality, not even the rise of artificial intelligence.

It is our sense that we are powerless to change any of it.

So it means that in- in this whole world of disruption, we don't feel we've got agency to make any difference, right? To make any change.

But implementing that kind of continuous iteration requires a completely different paradigm of leadership.

Chaplin Chu's text draws heavily on Peter Sender's seminal book, The Fifth Discipline, and the later work of Otto Scharmer and Katrin Kaufer.

They advocate for something called system leadership.

System leadership.

But implementing that kind of continuous iteration requires a completely different paradigm of leadership.

Chaplin Chu's text draws heavily on Peter Sender's seminal book, The Fifth Discipline, and the later work of Otto Scharmer and Katrin Kaufer.

They advocate for something called system leadership.

System leadership.

We're not there now.

We're now in a place of collapse and civilization rupture is the word that Otto Scharmer uses to describe this time.

Systems aren't working like they used to.

The global order isn't what it was 10 years ago.

You're not even listening to understand.

And you've now upgraded to what Otto Scharmer would call generative listening, where you...

I might not agree with you, but if we put your perspective together with my perspective, we're both gonna walk away from this conversation richer.

And the other part I picked up, and this is...

I mean, I love Anne bringing to the surface her own work in getting comfortable with being uncomfortable, and also, and this is different and important, comfortable in it not having to be comfortable for other people.

It really reminds me of the Otto Scharmer episode where he talks about the internal work required to be a change leader, and here I think Anne is pointing directly at that.

Y- You used the word clumsy.

I love that word.

Mm-hmm

... my favorite quote is from Otto Scharmer, who's, um, an MIT researcher, and he created the Presencing Institute, and he, uh, he writes, "The future arrives first as a feeling." And I just, that has always, ever since I heard that, I was like, "[gasps] Yes, we have to sense it.

We have to feel it.

We have to touch it." Um, so-