and then when you started to come more south you said that's when the working dogs come in yeah

that's when they come about yeah so just on that place like because i hadn't really done a great deal like i'd seen people work dogs and whatnot and hadn't done a great deal so i um yeah when i was there and i was overseeing the place and thought i had to get a few dogs and i ended up with a um A black pup I brought off, Paul Leonard and his name was.

He's near Coolaway, Timbar Springs.

So I found it in, it was in the land actually.

Found him in the land and, yeah, went and brought him in.

And I sent it to a mate and he goes, oh, that dog's bred pretty well.

He went back to like sort of Keats Kelly and like Glen Favre, like Titus and whatnot and a bit of Spoke and Trevor Nash is breeding in there.

Yeah,