Orania

They've learned that in education.

And if someone goes against that, if someone rides his motorcycle to Orania, oh my God, what is Orania? A bunch of racists? There is no analysis.

There is no logic going on in their minds.

It's just a reaction to almost this Pavlovian conditioning.

So by 2050, there will be very few of them in South Africa, or probably about two million or so, or less.

Unless, of course, the Western Cape and the Boshoff's Orania program survives.

And then they import whites like they did in the 50s and the 60s.

Yes.

of 1652 and 2652.

The Cape Movement and

Orania imply that we may have a reconalysing agent.

Yes.

And we've been able to do that very effectively and seriously.

So I'm guessing your thoughts are that, is it Orania, the small town, the enclave, I guess the solution then is not necessarily to retreat because you're very much engaged in terms of media, you're very much engaged in terms of the legal side, in terms of the legal fight.

So you're using... as much as you can, the levers available to you as a citizen to try and enforce change.

That seems to be a better option rather than to retreat to an enclave and hope to be left alone.

They s- they doing, they doing what communities should be doing." You know what I mean? You, I said the other day in a vid- I said, this was like two years ago in a video.

I said, um, "Yeah, you know what?" We were talking about Orania, and I wa- and I was talking about, you know what, they, if you look at their infrastructure, they have the second-best infrastructure in South Africa.

And I went, "Wait, but these are people that are not depending on government support.

They just like doing their own thing." And I realized like, you know what, why don't we also start just doing our own thing? We can see that pothole.

We see many such examples.

And many people ask me, why do Orania even at all engage in kind of party politics? Stay out of the politicians' conversations and so on.

But there are certain cases where we cannot.

And it's very simple.

Those cases are the cases where they directly attack Orania.

People are totally ignorant about how much voluntary work the people of Orania put in.

Many of these people that are critical about Orania, that have got a lot to say, are unwilling, I think, to commit such amounts of voluntary commitment to causes that they believe in.

So they say it can't be.

If you, if, if you look at the arrogance of whiteness that's happening in the streets, um, you know, the arrogance of whiteness that happens in society, if you look at the racism online, you can see that where this thing is going, right? There are, there are schools, of course, primary schools that are, uh, still only Afrikaans.

Um, there are communities where it's, you know, Afrikaners only, you know? Uh, not just in Orania, where people have made their own country, right? Where there's a group, uh, that has made its own cur- country and currency and flag in the Republic of South Africa.

Not just the independence project of the, of the Western Cape, where people want to make a colony of the Western Cape, but the ANC, of course, allows it.

Not that AfriForum, uh, goes to the US and lobbies for anti-SA policies or anti-SA government policies against a, a government and perpetuate that there is a-

No?

Me and you in the past, remember when we had discussions about Orania? And I said, I'm not a subscriber to Orania.

I think this country did wrong for allowing the racist Africa, because it's based on racism.

Then other things, culture and all that, to have their enclave, their own land within South Africa.