Orange Revolution

That was 2007.

Why? Well, back then, this is like post-Orange Revolution, pre-Maidan, pre-financial crisis.

Ukraine experienced a period of extreme growth.

largest foreign direct investment amount globally.

But at the beginning of 2000, the world changed significantly, all the world, of course, and Ukrainian as well.

So in my view, the Orange Revolution became like a culmination and also the final of this period of the 90s.

It was also like a carnival, and it was also very optimistic.

But after that, we have a kind of disappointment because the Yanukovych regime was And all expectation, we lose this expectation.

From this point, exactly, I start my new book about transit culture.

The first edition of my book was published in 2013.

And actually, it covers the period from the Orange Revolution as it appears to the Revolution of Dignity, but before the Revolution of Dignity as well.

Right.

To enter the Black Sea, to harass and to send a message of grandiosity by the United States, and that we would be back, the United States would be back in those territorial waters of Russia and the Ukraine.

So what happened? What happened is the Orange Revolution was funded and executed by George Soros in the Ukraine and overthrew the government.

This happened in many countries around former Soviet satellite states, oil-rich republics in Central Asia, Middle Eastern countries, Egypt.

Then we had the Occupy movement in the United States and Canada.

And Victoria Newland in the U.S. State Department has been involved, George Soros is involved, the Rockefellers and the Council on Foreign Relations is involved, the U.S. State Department is involved, and President Obama and Congress are involved.

Why are we involved in Ukraine's personal business.

So this Orange Revolution was used to overthrow a legitimately elected government, and that happened last December.

And in February, Victoria Nuland appointed, she selected and appointed a new government for the Ukraine without any elections.

So you had the Rose Revolution in Georgia.

You had the Orange Revolution in-

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I think we can actually look at the Ukrainian case.

You know, prior to the last decade, if we go back and we actually look at the relationship that Russia and Ukraine had, um, when, you know, Leonid Kuchma was in power in Russia, we look at the Orange Revolution, right, well before the Maidan back in 2003, 2004, we look at that.

The Russians were always very keen on meddling in Ukraine, in the same way as they have been keen in meddling in Belarus.

I don't think they cared so much about regime type as they cared about Ukraine remaining corrupt and weak and able to be manipulated by Russia.

It is also true, two things can be true at the same time.

This, this mono-causal thing, I think we both agree, and yet we're kind of getting pushed into those camps, and so I want us to get away from that, right? So we have an example of what you can do after a revolution and your security's dilemmas, Mr.

Putin, and we can go back to 2004 and the Orange Revolution.

That was a genuine regime change.

I'm talking about the beginning.

You know, the, uh, what, what is it called? The Orange Revolution or something at that time, you know?

We've house before, Orange Revolution, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Even that time.