Omer Bartov

A consensus of genocide scholars believe Israel is committing genocide.

And that includes, just quickly, Israeli scholars of genocide, Omar Bartov.

He's a professor of genocide and Holocaust studies.

No, no,

She used another term, yeah? But obviously-- So according to her research, there is, hmm, a certain framing going on in, in Israeli schoolbooks, which then is, uh, prolonged when young people go into the military.

And I think it was, uh, Professor Omer Bartov that I discussed the military aspect of it, so where, where this kind of indoctrination goes from the school into the military, yeah? So I, I tried to figure out how is it possible that a whole, uh, society, but that's too general, but that there's a whole two or three young generations who absolutely believe they're on the right side of history.

So that was what I was interested in, in the, in the context of, uh, the analysis of, of, uh, Israeli schoolbooks.

Are you, are, are you yourself aware of, of the framing that happens in Israeli schoolbooks? The linguistic framings.

Dr. Shaloub Kvorkian.

You have Professor Omar Bartov.

You have Roz Siegel.

There's also Professor Neve Gordon.

from an IDF combat veteran who we've had on our show before.

Omar Bartov wrote this last summer, last year, rather, in the New York Times.

He's a genocide scholar.

He's, in fact, a professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Brown University here in the U.S.

It's a coin with two faces.

Those who reject it entirely and those who want to Omer Bartov it.

And then the institution will want to push the rehabilitation mode.

You cannot just say that Zionism was wrong from the beginning.

or two.

The author of the book, What Is Genocide? Martin Shaw, the leading Israeli Holocaust scholars, Omar Bartov, Amos Goldberg, Daniel Blattman, Raz Siegel, Shmuel Lederman, the Norwegian Refugee Council, the Danish Refugee Council, Refugees International, the International Rescue Committee, the former head of Israel's military, Moshe Yalon, the former head of Israel, Shin Bet, Ami Ailon, the former deputy head of Israel's Mossad, Amiran Levin, and the former prime minister of Israel, Ehud Olman.

Who do you believe, them or the Israeli government? Who do you think is lying? All of them? or benjamin netanyahu

there you go and if you want to ever look it up this is and i know people are going to go wikipedia but it's just a repository of information list of humanitarian and human rights organizations accusing israel of genocide in gaza obviously i'm not going to read them because we would be a seven hour show uh but you know Or Benjamin Netanyahu.

It's a war that Israel declared against a civilian population.

And you saw this very strongly In the work of Omer Bartov.

Omer Bartov is the Israeli-born and once again Holocaust historian who wrote a series of op-eds for The New York Times that were seminal in helping frame the conversation and helping lay the ground to accuse Israel of genocide.

And when you read-

Is he the one who says, "I'm a genocide expert"?

Lot going on.

We had a great conversation last week with Professor Omer Bartov about, uh, Israel, and its genocide in Gaza, and the history thereof, and the definition of genocide.

And if you have not listened to that, I highly recommend giving it a listen.

It is an episode we're really proud of.