Omar Mohammed

These were all people who were perfectly capable of being both Islamic and having close relationships with the West.

And then there's a- then there's another tradition in Islam which is redemptionist, messianic, mahdist, is, is, is hostile to Western ideas, believes that Islam should be dominant in any state and must rule, and that is what you saw with ISIS, that Omar was discussing, that he encountered, that we're seeing in Tehran, um, and that you're seeing also in the new Islamism, which the Islamism of today is, is a new ideology, not an ancient idea.

It claims to be an ancient idea.

It's a new ideology, and it contains all sorts of Western thought as well, in fact, ironically, fascism.

And she, um, and she, you know, she so believed in Britain and the royal family and, and that Britain had given them.

And she, but she always used to say to me, um, "Simon, don't, don't make trouble 'cause they'll know you're Jewish, and, um, the quieter you are, the-- don't draw attention to yourself." And we just can't afford to do that now.

Um, and that's one of the lessons that, you know, that, that, that, that I, I would, I would tell, you know, anyone who's Jewish here or anyone who cares about the freedom, the liberalism of free society is like, "Don't let anything go." Omar Mohammed didn't-- You know, that's what Omar Mohammed has taught us from the tragedy and the, the mass murder of Mosul, and I take that very seriously, um-

What does not let anything go look like?