Like what does that process look like?

It was interesting because I at first was like, I don't want to do like a major label situation.

That's the amazing thing about Gamma is they're not under like some umbrella.

Like even the indie labels that you come across are like, they're independent underneath the Sony or underneath Universal or underneath Warner, whatever it is.

So Gamma's like just completely their own thing, which I thought was really amazing.

And yeah, I just, I talked to a bunch of different people and a lot of it reminded me of when I was, you know, 16.

And then some of it just felt like, I think the biggest thing for me was When you sign to a major and you look around a couple of years later and you're like, oh my God, I don't know anyone here.

So how did that even come across your desk to begin with?

What?

Fame? I mean, it was, like, small viral.

It got, like, 100,000 likes, the video hating on me.

Like, 90% of the comments were, like... what the fuck are you saying? But then I would scroll through looking for the like two mean ones and then like I would click on like who commented it and it was like one time this one person the first hate video I got was after like the second show in Baltimore and it was like is anyone else disappointed in Olivia O'Brien opening for Benson Boone? And like all the comments again, so nice.

And then I noticed this one girl was like, yeah, it was crazy.

Like why was she singing about being a masochist? And like spelled masochist like severely wrong.

I was like, okay, already interesting.

Back to the episode.

I, I hate to be that guy, but you give LARPer.

No, I would walk around my property with a plastic sword and a backpack full of like all the like things that they had in Percy Jackson.

And I, we had this old dilapidated like chicken coop.

We didn't have chickens, but it was j- And I mean, it was completely falling apart.

But I made it like my Camp Half Blood, um, uh, cabin, and I printed out a fake, uh, report card [laughs] and everything.

It was like, oh, I went whole, whole nine yards.

I went 10 yards.

[laughs]

Yeah.

It was a clusterfuck.

It was just like crazy.

And I just it was it just felt like such a process and it was really annoying and and just made me very impatient.

And so that's why after that I did my micro mixtapes because I was like, OK, cool.

I can make a couple songs that are like cohesive in their own vibe.

And then just this is my little mini project and a mini project and a mini project.

yeah.

What he has done throughout his cancer battle, making himself a guinea pig, if you like, for some of these treatments, he's been determined, like your late husband, Gail, to help find a cure but to also show people that, you know, there's no reason why people can't go out there and try some of these treatments that are available and we need to take advantage of what we've got here in Australia.

Mm hmm.

I think Richard's the first person since Chris died who's really leveraged off his illness to really bring public awareness to what is needed.

And that is, you know, he's translated what he's learned from all his melanoma research and he's actually increased people's five-year survival to less than 50% to 50%.

So why can't we do that with brain cancer? And when he and I got to know each other, Just over a year ago, along with Katie, his wife, we decided just give it a crack.

And that's what we pursued with developing an endowed chair in his name.

So that's what we achieved.

And I guess the way in which we can help do that, Gail, off the back of what we've said this morning is when there's an opportunity for us to donate to research and to help fund some of the clinical work that's being done, if we can spare a couple of dollars, make that donation.

G- Gail, can you remember first meeting Professor Scolyer?

I absolutely do because it was on the ward.

He'd just come back from Europe having had a seizure, and I'd never, never met him before.

But, um, and a- as patient advocate I'd been asked, you know, I connect with all our patients at some point if I can, but I'd particularly been referred to Richard and Katie, and that was the first meeting.

Um, they...

Uh, Richard said he, he knew Chris.

I had no idea that there had been this, uh, original mentorship, um, uh, connection.

H-how special was that? Because we know that, uh, Richard spoke of being humbled and certainly heartened to have that chair at Chris O'Brien Lifehouse named in his honor.