Oliver Holt

Um, Charlie, I'm gonna finish off with you.

In the back of the Mail, Oliver Holt's piece, "Can Jose Convince Mbappe He's Still Got It?" So yes, Jose Mourinho back at the Estadio Bernabeu with Real Madrid.

So do you wanna answer the question? Can he?

Well, I think so, yeah.

And that Sky program, um, Sunday Supplement, which used to be called Hold the Back Page, used to be on a Friday night.

And [laughs] basically on a Friday night, his team's being discussed by, um, I think it's, uh, Henry Winter, Ollie Holt, um, friends and colleagues of ours, and Steve Curry and Brian Woolnoough, who used to host the show.

Sort of four very big figures-

Classic lineup

But around Arsenal's discipline, you're talking about the kind of Corinthian and the, the, the whether Albion, um, kind of chat.

I mean, Oliver Holt in The Times, uh, this isn't just about Arsenal by the way, just a moral panic Rob says about English, or footballs in England, um, at this time.

Um, football's decadence is the subject of a thousand talk shows, never since the fever pitch boom of the '90s took hold as football's renaissance seemed so perilously close to falling back, back into a dark age.

Um, Rob talks about Hayden Fox, West Ham defender, getting his old chap out in a Soho nightclub and pissing all over the bar.

It was hard work, it was a challenge, but it was massively rewarding.

At what point did you and Ollie Holt sit down with each other and go, I tell you what, we missed Qatar.

That was a walk in the park.

You must have thought that at some point because you weren't traveling anywhere.