So there was also that indirect security switch that you're not logging into your servers with write access these days anyways.

Yeah, I think the maturity of this kind of concept, like software development lifecycle and those methodologies really help us to be more efficient from an access perspective.

And I think there is different companies in different maturity level that act differently.

In my story, it's less about just the access.

I think it's more about the regulation that really affect security.

So security is really about protecting the risk of the organization from data loss, from attacker that going to steal data or harm the business.

And also security.

Defining those guardrails in advance.