Oak Hill College

And perhaps this is where the text searches us for those that are in ministry, because our portion can become remarkably respectable.

The degree, I'm doing a PhD, the book, the doctorate, the booming church, the conference invitation, the speaking platforms, being invited to Oak Hill College to preach.

Good gifts, but terrible gods.

Hello.

It's a delight to have Zach here today.

This is the Jesus Work and Jesus Ways podcast, which is an initiative of Oak Hill College.

My name is Mark Stirling and I direct the new Masters in Contemporary Christian Leadership.

This podcast is an opportunity to have conversations with people whose leadership I admire, respect, and with whom I'm just enjoying having lots of really nice conversations.

For this episode of Jesus Work and Jesus Ways, we're going to be listening to an interview that I conducted with my old friend and a great inspiration, Andrew Rawlinson.

I conducted this interview initially for the Masters in Contemporary Christian Leadership students at Oak Hill College, and it was so good and so helpful that we wanted to use it here for the podcast.

Andrew's an old friend, he's a retired Baptist pastor, and he's recently written a book called Conversations by the Sea, which is his reflections on a life of pastoral ministry and church leadership.

There's one particular chapter in there on self-awareness and self-deception in ministry leadership, which I found so profound and so challenging that I was desperate to get him to talk about it so others could enjoy it as well.

Yet, institutional power, money, accreditation, cultural influence, and public platforms remain disproportionately concentrated in Western centers.

You know where this is going, don't you? Are we, like Barnabas, willing to recognize this moment, invest in others globally, and see multiply what God is doing around the world, even if this decenters or diminishes us here in the Western church? Now, friends, I do understand that increasingly and wonderfully, not everyone sitting in Oak Hill College Chapel this morning locates themselves ethnically or culturally within Western Christianity.

Some of you I know have been formed principally in churches within the majority world.

But I don't think any of us can stand outside of this challenge because after all, we're all being formed in a college located in the West.

But that's actually,

that is a wonderfully subversive approach to something which is completely designed, as I have quoted you on a video, I made a video on the attention economy, and I used your line from your conversation with Glenn Scrivener and Tom Holland at Oak Hill College a couple of years ago.

And you said, we are going through the greatest attempt to harvest human attention that the world has ever seen.

And no one can find anything to satisfy themselves.

He is currently the vicar of Bishop Hannington Memorial Church in Hove in the UK.

He previously taught at Oak Hill Theological College, and he has a doctorate from the University of Sterling, which...

If you are at all a Braveheart fan, know that he could not spend one moment on that campus without looking at the Wallace Monument, which is spectacular in and of itself.

Nick, on behalf of everyone listening all across the United States right now to this program, thank you for staying up, for the gift of your time, and for reminding us how awe-inspiring our God truly is.

Call 877-JANET-58, that's 877-JANET-58, or go to inthemarketwithjanetpartial.org. We have the pleasure of spending the hour with Nick Tucker.

He's the vicar of Bishop Harrington Memorial Church in Hove in the UK.

He also taught previously at Oak Hill Theological College and has a doctorate from the University of Sterling.

But specifically, he joins us today because he's the author of the book, 12 Things God Can't Do.