O visa

I've been in the US and I think it's one of the most horrific.

I had to run through Tijuana to escape, even though I had a visa, an O1 visa, even though my kids have American passports.

We had to run for our lives from the US so that we can be safe, and the sanctuary has been Latin America, and still even in Latin America, they're coming and shooting at us.

And it feels that this world is closing.

So your founder and your founder minus one.

And if you had spent enough time in the environments and spent enough time with the team members, you understand whether they could be a good fit for an O-1 visa versus a typical pathway like the L visa or H-1B or whatnot.

Fast forward to today in a more challenging immigration environment, that understanding and being able to spend time to really understand the case makes all the difference because it helps you determine the right visa type.

So that's judgment, right? How do you decide what's the right visa type for the person who moved to the US and the team members as well? So if you have spent enough time in this scenario, that empathy and understanding allows you to say, okay, these people, they shouldn't go through, except from the founder, these people shouldn't go through the OAN visa, and they should go for, let's say, an L visa to bring the team over.

It typically takes a good process takes about three months.

Now, then it's about the different options that they have.

O-1 is great for venture-backed founders.

If you think about it from a first principles point of view, what does the O-1 visa does? It's got a reputation of being called the Einstein visa or extraordinary ability alien visas.

At that time, it was easier to get that visa.

But that was like kind of like the only way that we could get him into the US was like an O-1A visa, which is basically people with extraordinary ability.

The problem is like bootstrap companies can't really apply for that.

It's like...